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    Ray, without a Mate how do your clients initiate an equalize charge
    via generator ?&nbsp; Do you just set the Bulk Charge volts at an
    equalize V level ?<br>
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    Carl,<br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Solarwks@cybermesa.com">Solarwks@cybermesa.com</a><br>
    <br>
    On 10/17/2011 10:09 PM, R Ray Walters wrote:
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      For this and cost reasons ($295!) I almost never offer a MATE on
      my Outback systems. We just keep one on &nbsp;the truck adjust
      everything, and then pull it.
      <div>I've waited for close to 10 years now for the computer
        interface, so you could pull everything up in a Windows screen,
        click on the particular parameter for more info and adjustment.</div>
      <div>The Pentametric does that, and its nice except for the old
        serial connection.</div>
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        <div>William, I'd be interested in being on the manual review
          board. Do we get paid anything or is it sort of like all that
          unofficial product beta testing we've done......</div>
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              <div>R. Walters</div>
              <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:ray@solarray.com">ray@solarray.com</a></div>
              <div>Solar Engineer</div>
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            <div>On Oct 17, 2011, at 10:25 PM, &lt;<a
                moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mark@hurshtown.com">mark@hurshtown.com</a>&gt;
              &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  <div>I am in full agreement.</div>
                  <div>The Outback remote darn near needs a college
                    degree to operate.</div>
                  <div>The sensitive parameters you mentioned should be
                    in the password protected area.</div>
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                  <div>Mark</div>
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                      -------- Original Message --------<br>
                      Subject: [RE-wrenches] Instruction manual / User
                      interface rant<br>
                      From: William Miller &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:william@millersolar.com">william@millersolar.com</a>&gt;<br>
                      Date: Mon, October 17, 2011 7:49 pm<br>
                      To: RE-wrenches &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>&gt;<br>
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                      Friends:<br>
                      <br>
                      I just returned home from a long drive to
                      troubleshoot a problem with an Outback FX system.&nbsp;
                      I found that the customer, in the process of using
                      a remote Mate to start the generator, had
                      inadvertently turned the global charge control
                      setting to "off".&nbsp; This causes a problem that is
                      very serious but hard to detect:&nbsp; The generator
                      will run but it will not charge the batteries.&nbsp; No
                      one can know how long ago this was done, but in
                      the meantime the customers batteries were
                      chronically undercharged.<br>
                      <br>
                      Just a month ago I found another Outback system
                      where the customer (or someone from another
                      "solar" company) had selected the "drop" setting
                      from the "use" menu.&nbsp; Similar results to the
                      previous case, but in this situation the customer
                      had to use the bypass breakers to get power to the
                      house while the batteries did not charge.<br>
                      <br>
                      To my mind, this is one of the big problems with
                      all manufacturers of technical equipment:&nbsp; Poor
                      user interface.&nbsp; Who, in their right mind, would
                      put controls to disable critical functions in the
                      same menu tree as the control to do a common
                      place, frequently used function such as starting a
                      generator remotely?&nbsp; And the screens are all
                      almost identical.&nbsp; This is extremely poor design.<br>
                      <br>
                      On a similar subject, all off-grid inverter
                      manuals are written very poorly.&nbsp; For example, why
                      put the installation instructions in the front of
                      the manual?&nbsp; You install a system once, but you
                      operate it every day.&nbsp; The installation
                      instructions should be in the back and the
                      operating instructions in the front (or better
                      yet, in separate books).&nbsp; Why are we trying to use
                      the same manual for the installer as for the
                      user?&nbsp; A majority of users need a 4 page manual
                      that includes:&nbsp; 1. how to turn the system on and
                      off, 2. how to read and interpret a few critical
                      meter functions, 3. how (and why) to equalize
                      batteries and 4. what to do when your power goes
                      out.&nbsp; That's it.&nbsp; For the few users that want to
                      know more, they can wade through the installation
                      / technical manual.<br>
                      <br>
                      We provide our own checklists to all of our
                      customers to perform the limited functions
                      described above.&nbsp; For a sample, see: <a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="file://D/William/Web/Dreamweaver/Miller%2520Solar/MillerSolar/Services/Support/_support.htmll">file:///D:/William/Web/Dreamweaver/Miller%20Solar/MillerSolar/Services/Support/_support.htmll</a><br>
                      <br>
                      We provide these instruction sets to our install
                      clients and sell them to others, including other
                      installers (off list, if you are interested).<br>
                      <br>
                      I am volunteering to be on a peer review panel to
                      critique users manuals for off-grid inverter
                      manufacturer's.&nbsp; Maybe if a few of us grey beards
                      look over these manuals before they are printed,
                      we can get them straightened out.&nbsp; Anyone else on
                      board?<br>
                      <br>
                      Rant off.<br>
                      <br>
                      William Miller<br>
                      <br>
                      PS:&nbsp; Any manual not pre-punched for a three hole
                      binder is not worth the paper it is printed on.<br>
                      <br>
                      Wm<br>
                      <br>
                      <div> William Miller <br>
                        Miller Solar<br>
                        Voice :805-438-5600<br>
                        email: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:william@millersolar.com">william@millersolar.com</a><br>
                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://millersolar.com/">http://millersolar.com<br>
                        </a>License No. C-10-773985<br>
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