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Hopefully any crew installing PV, and familiar with this debate (which they should be) can easily distinguish between the GBL-4 and the GBL-4DBT. The weight difference is quite noticeable. If it feels light for its size, it's aluminum, dont use it!!! If it has some distinct weight to it, then it's most likely the copper DBT, giv'er!<div><br></div><div>So what other non-conductive materials are out there that could help resolve this frame bonding issue?</div><div> Sunteck's BIPV SolarBlend module uses a polycarbonate frame which requires no bonding. Do any of you have any experiences with these? How were they to handle, install? Do they offer any hope or support for non-metallic module frames?</div><div><br>benn<br><span class="ecxecxecxecxEC_Apple-style-span" style="color:rgb(0, 32, 96)">DayStar Renewable Energy Inc. </span><div><div>benn@daystarsolar.ca</div><div>780-906-7807 </div><div>HAVE A SUNNY DAY</div></div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: ray@solarray.com<br>Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:14:36 -0600<br>To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org<br>Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] The Demise of WEEB<br><br>
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<meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft SafeHTML">I didn't do the original install, and I couldn't ID the lug because of the corrosion.<div>I believe everyone is correct that this isn't the DBT rated lug, though.<div>Another reason to use the WEEB: a crew can't accidentally install the wrong (but almost identical, when new) lug. </div><div>I'm sure the non-DBT lugs got mixed together in a bin at some point. </div><div><div><div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Sep 12, 2010, at 5:41 PM, Jamie Johnson wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><blockquote>
<table align="center" style="" bgcolor="#ffffff" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td style="vertical-align:top"><div style="padding:5px;overflow-x:auto"><div><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#000000;font-size:10pt"><div> That looks like a tin plated aluminum lug (aluminum corrosion) with a plated steel screw (rusted screw).......</div>
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<div align="left">Here is an explanation of the differences between both ILSCO GBL 4 lugs from John Wiles Code Corner in Homepower issue 102<BR></div>
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<div>"<font color="#1a1818" size="2" face="Palatino-Roman"><font color="#1a1818" size="2" face="Palatino-Roman"><font color="#1a1818" size="2" face="Palatino-Roman">The Ilsco GBL-4DBT is a lay-in lug </font></font></font></div><font color="#1a1818" size="2" face="Palatino-Roman"><font color="#1a1818" size="2" face="Palatino-Roman"><font color="#1a1818" size="2" face="Palatino-Roman">
<div align="left">made of solid copper, which is then tin-plated. It has a</div>
<div align="left">stainless steel screw to hold the wire. The lug accepts a #14</div>
</font></font></font><div align="left"><font color="#1a1818" size="2" face="Palatino-Roman"><font color="#1a1818" size="2" face="Palatino-Roman"><font color="#1a1818" size="2" face="Palatino-Roman">(2 mm</font></font></font><font color="#1a1818" size="1" face="Palatino-Roman"><font color="#1a1818" size="1" face="Palatino-Roman"><font color="#1a1818" size="1" face="Palatino-Roman">2</font></font></font><font color="#1a1818" size="2" face="Palatino-Roman"><font color="#1a1818" size="2" face="Palatino-Roman"><font color="#1a1818" size="2" face="Palatino-Roman">) to #4 (21 mm</font></font></font><font color="#1a1818" size="1" face="Palatino-Roman"><font color="#1a1818" size="1" face="Palatino-Roman"><font color="#1a1818" size="1" face="Palatino-Roman">2</font></font></font><font color="#1a1818" size="2" face="Palatino-Roman"><font color="#1a1818" size="2" face="Palatino-Roman"><font color="#1a1818" size="2" face="Palatino-Roman">) copper conductor. It is listed for</font></font></font></div><font color="#1a1818" size="2" face="Palatino-Roman"><font color="#1a1818" size="2" face="Palatino-Roman"><font color="#1a1818" size="2" face="Palatino-Roman">
<div align="left">direct burial (DB) and outdoor use and can be attached to</div>
<div align="left">aluminum structures (the tin plate). The much cheaper Ilsco</div>
<div align="left">GBL-4 lug looks identical, but is tin-plated aluminum, has</div>
<div>a plated screw, and is not listed for outdoor use."</div>
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<div id="ecxwmQuoteWrapper">-------- Original Message --------<br>Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] The Demise of WEEB<br>From: "Peter Parrish" <<a href="mailto:peter.parrish@calsolareng.com">peter.parrish@calsolareng.com</a>><br>Date: Sun, September 12, 2010 6:50 pm<br>To: "'RE-wrenches'" <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br><br>Are you sure that's a ILSCO GBL-4DBT lug? I am pretty sure the set screw is<br>not SS, which it should be to be the genuine part.<br><br>- Peter<br><br><br>Peter T. Parrish, Ph.D., President<br>California Solar Engineering, Inc.<br>820 Cynthia Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90065<br>CA Lic. 854779, NABCEP Cert. 031806-26<br><a href="mailto:peter.parrish@calsolareng.com">peter.parrish@calsolareng.com</a> <br>Ph 323-258-8883, Mobile 323-839-6108, Fax 323-258-8885<br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br>[<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] On Behalf Of R Ray<br>Walters<br>Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 3:10 PM<br>To: RE-wrenches<br>Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] The Demise of WEEB<br><br>A picture is worth a thousand words, (hopefully this will upload)<br>Here's a traditional Ilsco Lug after less than 5 years near the ocean:<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Home Power magazine<br><br>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>Options & settings:<br><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List-Archive: <a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List rules & etiquette:<br><a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm" target="_blank">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a><br><br>Check out participant bios:<br><a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org/" target="_blank">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br></div></blockquote></span></div></div></td></tr><tr><td style="text-align:left;background-repeat:no-repeat" align="left" height="210" colspan="1"><span><bottom.letterhead></span></td></tr></tbody></table>_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Home Power magazine<br><br>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>Options & settings:<br><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org<br><br>List rules & etiquette:<br>www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm<br><br>Check out participant bios:<br>www.members.re-wrenches.org<br><br></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________
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