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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>I second Travis’s comments and add “I do not have
the confidence to install this unit at my home due to the lack of positive or
current information”. I also add that “it is a mechanical
device and like your car or truck it will definitely need regular service. Are
you prepared to deal with this or have me deal with it for you?”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>Finding the perfect wind gen is like the perfect car or truck
. It has not and will not ever be built. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>Some are better than others and none are perfect.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>Thanks, Dana Orzel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>Great Solar Works, Inc<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>E - dana@solarwork.com<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>V - 970.626.5253<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>F - 970.626.4140<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>C - 970.209.4076<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>web - www.solarwork.com<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since
1988"</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>
re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Travis
Creswell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'RE-wrenches'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] wind scam?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Sorry to chime in late.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Even though I’m not familiar
with the turbine in question I agree with others are saying and I would like to
offer a suggestion in hopes that it will help others as much as has me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>I finally realized that the there
was no way to convince most people that the wind turbine they were asking about
wasn’t the one that had figured what thousands of others before them
couldn’t. I also realized that most people think I’m an fool
when I tell them that the fancy website full of expertly wordsmithed press
releases and pictures of the wind turbine in question with a celebrity/high
level government officials (Ed, Jay, Arnold) are taking a lot of liberties with
the truth and the laws of physics.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>For me personally I’ve found
that it’s very effective and respectful to reply to these inquiries with
something similar to the following. <i>“I not familiar with it, you
should ask the dealer or factory for names and addresses of the ones installed
closest to you. I would certainly spend at least an afternoon or more
visiting an owner at his house investigating something I was about to spend
$xxxx or more on. If it’s not been installed for at least 12 months
or if they don’t or won’t discuss their actual production data with
you then I think you know all you need to know”<o:p></o:p></i></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>That’s all I say and
politely make it clear I’ve got nothing else to say about that matter
because that’s all know. It’s easier to just play dumb.
Never argue with an idiot, etc. Of course, I always throw the standard bit
about conservation first and checking around locally for a home energy auditor,
etc. Most folks immediately get the idea; give up their quest for the
perfect wind turbine and I doubt spend much more time on the idea of wind or
conservation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Hope that helped someone.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Best, Travis Creswell<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Ozark Energy Services<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris
Daum<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 24, 2010 1:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'RE-wrenches'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [RE-wrenches] wind scam?</span><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:maroon'>With all the alleged information on their web site, I couldn't
find <strong><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>any</span></strong>
power curves. And their "contact us" form was only for folks
who had purchased their turbines.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:maroon'>Let the buyer beware!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:maroon'>Chris Daum</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:maroon'>Oasis Montana Inc.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Roy
Butler<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 24, 2010 11:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] wind scam?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'>Todd,<br>
<br>
We're still waiting for verifiable 3rd party energy production data on this
turbine.<br>
Until that happens, this turbine stays on my "not ready for prime
time" list.<br>
As of today, Helix has not seen fit to file a notice of intent to certify with
the<br>
SWCC. Keep an eye on that list and the eventual certified turbine list, both
will<br>
be very helpful in the future for weeding out the scams.<br>
<a href="http://www.smallwindcertification.org">www.smallwindcertification.org</a><br>
<br>
"Revolutionary" may be a good description for kinetic lawn art but
doesn't<br>
tell us a thing about it's ability to produce kilowatt hours to the grid.<br>
<br>
What is it about human nature that makes people believe that the weirder<br>
the design, the better it must be? And that "breakthrough" technology
is<br>
the best technology?<br>
<br>
Have fun with this customer!<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Roy Butler<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:
.5in'>NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer®<o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'>NYSERDA eligible PV & wind installer<o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'>PA Sunshine Program Approved PV Installer<o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'>Four Winds Renewable Energy, LLC<o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'>8902 Route 46<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:
.5in'>Arkport, NY 14807<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>607-324-9747<o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><a
href="http://www.four-winds-energy.com">www.four-winds-energy.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Although no trees were killed in the sending of this message, <o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'>a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></pre>
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On 7/24/2010 12:36 PM, Todd Cory wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'>Sorry to bother the list with this kind of BS, but I
have a client who insists this is a revolutionary wind machine design that is
not a yard art scam. Feedback?<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9flSPAdOLk">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9flSPAdOLk</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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