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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks Mark that helps!<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>Sincerely,<br>
<br>
Chris Worcester<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>Solar Wind Works<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark
Frye<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 13, 2009 7:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'RE-wrenches'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Grounding detached buildings<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Try 250.32. In this case, you consider that the panels at the home
are not actually new &quot;service enterance&quot; equipment.&nbsp; The
&quot;service&quot; is up at the shed and the home is part of two or more
buildings supplied from a common service.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Mark
Frye</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>
<br>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Berkeley
Solar Electric Systems</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>
<br>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>303
Redbud Way</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>
<br>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Nevada
City,&nbsp; CA 95959</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>
<br>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>(530)
401-8024</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>
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<a href="http://www.berkeleysolar.com/"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>www.berkeleysolar.com</span></a></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris
Worcester<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 13, 2009 7:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'RE-wrenches'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [RE-wrenches] Grounding detached buildings</span><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal>Hi fellow wrenches,<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal>We just inherited a two year old off grid system consisting
of a separate home and a big shop/garage that has a mechanical room and battery
room. The OBFW500 power center feeds a main/meter panel. The two Kohler
generators (25kW LPG &amp; 60kW Diesel) feed a transfer switch that feeds
another meter/mains panel. <o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>1.
The previous electrician didn&#8217;t run any grounding to the home with the
two service feeds, where there are two separate AC load centers, A 200A main
panel and a 100A subpanel for the overflow. both fed from the inverter
meter/mains panel. We have installed the ground one. Now he is claiming <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&#8220;</span>code
requires separate grounds on detached buildings. 1. House and garage are not
bonded together , they again have&nbsp; <span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText>separate&nbsp; ground-rods&nbsp; as required.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I
flat can&#8217;t find any reference to his statement in the code, and he
didn&#8217;t say where in the code he is referencing. I quoted NEC 250.50,
250.66 as my reason to correct the lack of grounding between buildings.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText>&nbsp;Can anyone shed some light on this, thanks.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal>Elsewhere I am removing redundant neutral to ground bonds in
both the generators, the generator meter/main panel the home&#8217;s 200A main
panel, and leaving the one in the inverter meter/main as the one point of
bonding.&nbsp; We grounded the generator chassis too.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>Sincerely,<br>
<br>
Chris Worcester<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>Solar Wind Works<br>
NABCEP Certified PV Installer<br>
Phone: 530-582-4503<br>
Fax: 530-582-4603<br>
<a href="http://www.solarwindworks.com/">www.solarwindworks.com</a><br>
<a href="mailto:chris@solarwindworks.com">chris@solarwindworks.com</a><br>
&quot;Proven Energy Solutions&quot;</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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