<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Gentleman,<div>I could tell you the reason why the Code panel was disbanded (reassigned) by NFPA. I was on the panel since 2002 and am on the current 2011 CMP #4. Panel 13 had jurisdiction over several articles including PV. Two of the issues (Article 695, Fire Pumps, and Article 700, Emergency Systems) had contentious issues with them. Article 695 was an attempt at a complete rewrite that didn't go over to well. Article 700, in particular, 700.27 dealing with selective coordination was a very heated issue. The panel was nearly split down the middle every time we meet over <span class="Apple-style-span" style="text-decoration: underline;">those</span> issues. After Panel 13's articles were reassigned, I was asked by my sponsor to again sit on Panel #4 which has Article 690, 692 and now possibly 694, (Wind systems). My opinion was that Article 690 wasn't the cause of Panel 13's reassignment. </div><div>Regards,<br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>Brian</div><div><br></div><div>NABCEP Certified PV Installer</div><div>Oregon General Supervising Electrician #5156S</div><div>Oregon Electrical Inspector "A" Level certificate</div><div>Member of NEC CMP 4</div><div><br></div><div>To contact Brian L Crise:</div><div><div apple-content-edited="true"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; ">Address:</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; ">16021 NE Airport Way</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; ">Portland OR, 97230</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; ">Office Phone:<span class="Apple-converted-tab"> </span>(503) 262-9991 x.5054</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; ">e-mail:<span class="Apple-converted-tab"> </span><a href="mailto:bcrise@nietc.org">bcrise@nietc.org</a></font></div></div></span></div></span></div></div></div></div></span></div></span> </div><br><div><div>On Jun 7, 2009, at 3:39 PM, William Miller wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div> <font size="3">Dick, colleagues:<br><br> I was at a seminar in which John Wiles lectured building officials and installing contractors. At one point I asked about 690.31(E) (2005). Mr. Wiles glibly commented that the restriction of that section to utility-interactive systems was a "typo" in the 2005 edition. There were many officials present that inspect and plan-check my work. Based on Mr. Wiles remark, several inspectors have been trying to apply 690.31(E) to off-grid systems. This has cost me time, money and aggravation.<br><br> Mr. Wiles apparently does not know the responsibility he has when he makes off-hand remarks. His opinion that a given passage in the code is not correct does not negate what is in black and white. With all due respect, I wish he would be a bit more temperate in his remarks.<br><br> Sincerely,<br><br> William Miller<br><br> PS: Mr. Wiles showed slides of his home installation. It may be a code complaint installation, but there is nothing pretty about the workmanship. I think a thorough familiarity with the code does not alone comprise a complete education on PV installation.<br><br> Wm<br><br> <br><br> <br><br> At 10:07 AM 6/7/2009, you wrote:<br> </font><blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite=""><font size="3">According to John Wiles, the code making panel for 2008 Article 690 was<br> disbanded<br> by the NFPA because it, "violated NEC code developement procedures and because <br> of other issues." Doesn't leave one with much confidence in their work.<br><br> <br> Dick Ratico<br> Solarwind Electric<br> Bradford, VT <br> </font></blockquote></div> _______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Home Power magazine<br><br>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>Options & settings:<br><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org<br><br>List rules & etiquette:<br>www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm<br><br>Check out participant bios:<br>www.members.re-wrenches.org<br><br></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>