Allen..Greetings....yes indeed it is an issue. we have been addressing with multiple charge controllers per system. we don't fight the current (not electrical). In the future the way i see it- the electronics will be more flexible and be able to handle the larger variety of string voltages. For example the long long long awaited apollo solar t100 which will allow voltages to exceed the 150V limit we have had for a long time. They have apparently even lined up some breakers which will work with these greater voltages. 3 modules in a series will no longer be a maximum. I understand midnite solar also has a charge controller which will allow the 150V max to go by the way side. We are trying to be flexible as modules become less standard and hope that the electronics will allow us to address thesee challanges as time goes by.<br>
<br>One thing that we would love to see is more large wattage modules with j boxes rather than pre-wired MC cables. In many of our off grid systems the array is located in readily accesible locations and crafting a fence or sticking the array over 8 feet of the ground is a big hassle/extra expense. This has proven to be a bigger concern for us rahter than the voltage variety. If you know of any 72 cell or for that matter 60 cell modules which allow flex conduit between j boxes we would love some info.......<br>
<br><br>-- <br>Sunny Regards,<br>Kirpal Khalsa<br>NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer<br>Renewable Energy Systems LLC<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Allan Sindelar <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:allan@positiveenergysolar.com">allan@positiveenergysolar.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman">Wrenches,</font>
<br><font face="Times New Roman">Here's an issue I haven't seen directly addressed, and I would like to know what the rest of you are doing.</font>
<br><font face="Times New Roman">It's getting harder to get 24V nominal modules. Because the bulk of industry growth is high-voltage grid-tied applications, modules no longer have to be a standard voltage. Just pick the number of modules to best fit the chosen inverter's string voltage range.</font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman">But for off-grid, the odd cell counts and resulting "nontraditional" DC input voltages challenge the traditional rules of off-grid design. I may be fighting a losing battle here, as the industry changes so rapidly and fundamentally. I have been trying to stay with 72-cell modules for offgrid, as this most readily combines with existing systems with 36-cell modules (12V) and 72-cell modules (24V). </font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman">For example, I will use the new Canadian Solar 170-200W modules. They are 60-cell modules, with a Vmppt of around 28 volts - too low to charge 24V batteries with a standard charge controller. We can use them in any new systems with an MX60 or similar voltage-converting MPPT controller. Two or three in series would charge a 24V battery; 3 in series would charge 48V. Four in series would violate Code, as low-temp voltage would easily exceed 150V. </font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman">Unless 60-cell modules remain a standard in the future, any future array additions would have to be on their own charge controller, in order to match a different I-V curve and MPP voltages into the same battery bank. Is this prohibitive? No, it just runs counter to the longstanding standards of off-grid design that allow modules to be added in the future: these modules will not add well to existing systems, and will not easily allow additional dissimilar modules to be added later. </font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman">I had this same objection to using Day4 modules, although they were better at 16Vnom. Three made up a standard 48V array, so strings could be combined with two-module strings of similar 24Vnom modules.</font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman">Who else is trying to stay with 24V modules? Anyone still using 12V modules in off-grid (residential-scale, not little apps) designs? Who has a crystal ball and knows what modules will be like in 20 years, or even two years? Wat are the rest of you doing?</font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman">Thanks, as usual.</font>
<br><font face="Times New Roman">Allan</font>
<br><font color="#888888"><font face="g">Allan Sindelar</font>
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