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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Interesting discussion.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Wrenches can figure out how to do just about
anything, but just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do
it. The transition from holier-than-thou to hipper-than-thou
is morphing into cleaner-than-thou. Yet death by pollution hardly
impacts world population growth which drives resource depletion which
drives politics toward more war. Not very "carefree summer days"
thoughts, but something to keep in mind with the November election just
around the corner.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Back to wrenching...and hammer-and-nailing. I
have lived the past quarter-century in a climate that requires no
heating or cooling more than 70% of the year so I'm out of touch
with how people retrofit to reduce heating and cooling. Could wrenches
in hot-dry and hot-humid regions share how they eliminate or reduce air
conditioning in existing homes?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For wrenches in cold climates, send an email and I
will share a pdf of a 1980 New Shelter magazine article about a
double-wall superinsulated home that had a $50/year fuel
bill.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Joel Davidson</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"Two explosive growths are occurring: growth of
superinsulated houses and growth of double-envelope houses. Estimates made by
friends suggest that by March of 1980 as many as 25 to 100
superinsulated houses had been completed and about 300 to 1000 others were
under construction. The estimates for double-envelope houses were similar."
- </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bill Shurcliff</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jryago@netscape.com
href="mailto:jryago@netscape.com">jryago@netscape.com</A> ; <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:31
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RE-wrenches] offgrid system
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<DIV><BR></DIV>Hi Jeff;
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<DIV>I'm learning to start charging for that precious ZEN time. I try not to
tell them they can't do it. </DIV>
<DIV>Instead, I charge for extra design time beyond a regular system, and I
let the ridiculously expensive prices do the talking. </DIV>
<DIV>If they still want to do it, I start looking at a solar / generator
hybrid, where the generator picks up the slack on hot summer days. </DIV>
<DIV>I start pushing efficiency, cut the costs in half, and make it
work. </DIV>
<DIV>Is it fair for the client to brag about their environmental impact: No.
The grid would be cleaner. </DIV>
<DIV>For me, I look at what they would do if they didn't go solar. If I'm
keeping a generator from running 24 hrs/ day, I figure I'm still doing the
world some good.</DIV>
<DIV>(This may just be a bogus rationalization for some whopper jobs that kept
me in business)</DIV>
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