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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I love my Mitsubishi &#8220;Mr. Slim&#8221;
split system AC unit.&nbsp; I have a 9kbtu and a 15kbtu unit that share the
same compressor.&nbsp; I have had both units come on at the same time while
fridge, dishwasher, (gas) clothes dryer and staber washing machine all running,
on top of &#8220;regular&#8221; loads.&nbsp; All this off of a VFX3624!&nbsp; I
probably could have tripped it with a few more loads&#8230; but the point is
the GREAT performance of the &#8220;soft start&#8221; Mitsubishi
technology!&nbsp; These things don&#8217;t really &#8220;cycle&#8221; as much
as ramp up and down.&nbsp; If folks are planning for off grid AC I&#8217;d
point them towards these.</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I haven&#8217;t yet rigged it, but I&#8217;m
planning on using some simple relays to control these as dump loads when I&#8217;m
not around.</span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Clean
Energy - Expertly Installed</span></font></i></b></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Best Power Mario<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 18, 2008 4:39
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [RE-wrenches] offgrid
system question</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Max,&nbsp; Let us know if the AC unit is 120 or
240Vac, what inverter/s are used, and how they are stacked.</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Mario Monesterio</span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Best Power Intl.</span></font></p>

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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- </span></font></p>

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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:max@seesolar.com" title="max@seesolar.com">Max Balchowsky</a> </span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"
title="re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches</a> </span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Monday,
August 18, 2008 3:00 PM</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
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[RE-wrenches] offgrid system question</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dear wrenches, going to look at a system installed by
others and would like some input from some of you with more off grid experience
than I have ( 4 systems over the years). the system was put on a new home - off
grid 20 sharp ND123UJF panels&nbsp;4 modules in series -&nbsp;5 parrallel
strings, 2460 total array dc voltage. mppt 60-150 <span class=yshortcuts><span
style='background-attachment:scroll;background-position-x:0%;background-position-y:
0%;cursor:hand' id="lw_1219089563_0">charge controller</span></span>, 12 sun
extender sealed <span class=yshortcuts><span style='background:#DCEEFF'><span
style='cursor:hand' id="lw_1219089563_1">AGM batteries</span></span></span>,
305 AH at 12 vdc, wired for 915 AH at 48 volt DC. The system is tripping off
when the AC unit trys to start - AC is comfortmaker 3.5 ton 13 seer. They say
start up inrush is 104 amps (sounds high to me) and they put a DST 10 <span
class=yshortcuts><span style='cursor:hand' id="lw_1219089563_2">soft start</span></span>
on the unit (I think that's just a big capacitor). I haven't been on site yet
but it sounds to me that they just didn't&nbsp;design enough inverter capacity
into the system...... What are your thoughts?</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
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