<div dir="ltr"><div>The 2 raw DC pins definitely aren't enough. The charger/connector and the vehicle need to speak the same language, and for safety they rely on continual handshake (image below for CCS pinout)</div><div><br></div><span style="color:rgba(0,0,0,0.9);font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue","Fira Sans",Ubuntu,Oxygen,"Oxygen Sans",Cantarell,"Droid Sans","Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Lucida Grande",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">L1: Line 1, used for single-phase or three-phase AC power.</span><span style="background-image:none;background-position:0% 0%;background-size:auto;background-repeat:repeat;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.9);border-style:none;border-width:0px;font-size:14px;vertical-align:baseline;outline:rgba(0,0,0,0.9) none 0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue","Fira 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0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue","Fira Sans",Ubuntu,Oxygen,"Oxygen Sans",Cantarell,"Droid Sans","Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Lucida Grande",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgba(0,0,0,0.9);line-height:inherit"><br style="box-sizing:inherit;line-height:inherit"></span><span style="color:rgba(0,0,0,0.9);font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue","Fira Sans",Ubuntu,Oxygen,"Oxygen Sans",Cantarell,"Droid Sans","Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Lucida Grande",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">L3: Line 3, used for three-phase AC power.</span><span style="background-image:none;background-position:0% 0%;background-size:auto;background-repeat:repeat;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.9);border-style:none;border-width:0px;font-size:14px;vertical-align:baseline;outline:rgba(0,0,0,0.9) none 0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue","Fira Sans",Ubuntu,Oxygen,"Oxygen Sans",Cantarell,"Droid Sans","Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Lucida Grande",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgba(0,0,0,0.9);line-height:inherit"><br style="box-sizing:inherit;line-height:inherit"></span><span style="color:rgba(0,0,0,0.9);font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue","Fira Sans",Ubuntu,Oxygen,"Oxygen Sans",Cantarell,"Droid Sans","Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Lucida Grande",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">N: Neutral, used to complete the circuit.</span><span style="background-image:none;background-position:0% 0%;background-size:auto;background-repeat:repeat;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.9);border-style:none;border-width:0px;font-size:14px;vertical-align:baseline;outline:rgba(0,0,0,0.9) none 0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue","Fira Sans",Ubuntu,Oxygen,"Oxygen Sans",Cantarell,"Droid Sans","Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Lucida Grande",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgba(0,0,0,0.9);line-height:inherit"><br style="box-sizing:inherit;line-height:inherit"></span><span style="color:rgba(0,0,0,0.9);font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue","Fira Sans",Ubuntu,Oxygen,"Oxygen Sans",Cantarell,"Droid Sans","Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Lucida Grande",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">PE: Protective Earth, used for grounding for safety.</span><span style="background-image:none;background-position:0% 0%;background-size:auto;background-repeat:repeat;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.9);border-style:none;border-width:0px;font-size:14px;vertical-align:baseline;outline:rgba(0,0,0,0.9) none 0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue","Fira Sans",Ubuntu,Oxygen,"Oxygen Sans",Cantarell,"Droid Sans","Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Lucida Grande",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgba(0,0,0,0.9);line-height:inherit"><br style="box-sizing:inherit;line-height:inherit"></span><span style="color:rgba(0,0,0,0.9);font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue","Fira Sans",Ubuntu,Oxygen,"Oxygen Sans",Cantarell,"Droid Sans","Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Lucida Grande",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">PP: Proximity Pilot, used for detecting the plug's insertion and removal status.</span><span style="background-image:none;background-position:0% 0%;background-size:auto;background-repeat:repeat;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.9);border-style:none;border-width:0px;font-size:14px;vertical-align:baseline;outline:rgba(0,0,0,0.9) none 0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue","Fira Sans",Ubuntu,Oxygen,"Oxygen Sans",Cantarell,"Droid Sans","Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Lucida Grande",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgba(0,0,0,0.9);line-height:inherit"><br style="box-sizing:inherit;line-height:inherit"></span><span style="color:rgba(0,0,0,0.9);font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue","Fira Sans",Ubuntu,Oxygen,"Oxygen Sans",Cantarell,"Droid Sans","Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Lucida Grande",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">CP: Control Pilot, used for communication between the charging station and the electric vehicle to coordinate the charging process.</span><span style="background-image:none;background-position:0% 0%;background-size:auto;background-repeat:repeat;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.9);border-style:none;border-width:0px;font-size:14px;vertical-align:baseline;outline:rgba(0,0,0,0.9) none 0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue","Fira Sans",Ubuntu,Oxygen,"Oxygen Sans",Cantarell,"Droid Sans","Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Lucida Grande",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgba(0,0,0,0.9);line-height:inherit"><br style="box-sizing:inherit;line-height:inherit"></span><span style="color:rgba(0,0,0,0.9);font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue","Fira Sans",Ubuntu,Oxygen,"Oxygen Sans",Cantarell,"Droid Sans","Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Lucida Grande",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">DC+: Direct Current positive, used for transmitting direct current.</span><span style="background-image:none;background-position:0% 0%;background-size:auto;background-repeat:repeat;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.9);border-style:none;border-width:0px;font-size:14px;vertical-align:baseline;outline:rgba(0,0,0,0.9) none 0px;font-family:-apple-system,system-ui,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue","Fira 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src="https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4ytMtv1VT4vQx9RxO5PM-LD04iQk0zUQ3tbZpSHdlRQvBnukMYYCbiLx4Gl9FJ2XeuvzJcS-47DeYsD"></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 9, 2026 at 1:23 PM Maverick Brown via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">I’m guessing if the car uses NACS or CCS connector, it will need outside control / feedback to use raw PV power. <div><br></div><div>This AI summary illustrates the connector with raw power and two pins for negotiation. That is the key. “How much can you deliver?” “Please only deliver” commands would need to go somewhere. </div><div><br></div><div>There might be a battery free inverter that can negotiate this as it tracks solar MPPT. </div><div><br></div><div><div style="display:block"><div style="display:inline-block" role="link"><a style="border-radius:10px;font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;display:block;width:300px;overflow:hidden;text-decoration:none" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.google.com/search?q=nacs+charging+technical+specifications&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#lfId=ChxjMe" dir="ltr" role="button" width="300" target="_blank"><table style="table-layout:fixed;border-collapse:collapse;width:300px;background-color:rgb(227,227,227);font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="300"><tbody><tr><td><table bgcolor="#E3E3E3" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="300" style="table-layout:fixed;font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(227,227,227)"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:8px 0px"><div style="max-width:100%;margin:0px 16px;overflow:hidden"><div style="font-weight:700;font-size:12px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;text-align:left"><a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.google.com/search?q=nacs+charging+technical+specifications&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#lfId=ChxjMe" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank"><font color="#000000" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">nacs charging technical specifications</font></a></div><div style="font-weight:600;font-size:11px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;text-align:left"><a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.google.com/search?q=nacs+charging+technical+specifications&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#lfId=ChxjMe" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank"><font color="#A2A2A9" style="color:rgba(60,60,67,0.6)">google.com</font></a></div></div></td><td style="padding:6px 12px 6px 0px" width="24"><a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.google.com/search?q=nacs+charging+technical+specifications&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#lfId=ChxjMe" target="_blank"><img style="display: inline-block; width: 24px; height: 24px; border-radius: 3px;" width="24" height="24" alt="favicon.ico" src="cid:ii_19eae1a1cc8e7117bb1"></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></a></div></div><br></div><div>Many all-in-one inverters nowadays have smart ports. I wonder if they can handle EV charging without batteries and I wonder what the car thinks about when the smart port just turns off with no handshake. </div><div><br></div><div>For instance, on the NCS charger, you press the button on the handle to tell the car to stop charging (it unlocks), then you can unplug it. I’m sure the car is OK if you just turned off the breaker visa-vie the smart port turning off. I wonder.</div><div><br><div><div dir="ltr">Thank you,<div><br></div><div>Maverick</div><div><div id="m_-3346125453531572780AppleMailSignature" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px"><div><br></div><div>Maverick Brown<br>Off-Grid Solar Commander since 2006<br>Maverick Solar Enterprises, Inc.<br> • Solar Commander Remote Power<br> • SunFlow Systems Cathodic Protection <br><a href="mailto:maverick@mavericksolar.com" target="_blank">maverick@mavericksolar.com</a><br>512-460-9825</div><div><br></div></div></div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jun 9, 2026, at 3:01 PM, Dana Orzel via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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