<div dir="ltr">I did forget to mention that there is a generator on site that would charge through the sunny island inverter. I was there late in the day checking the job and haven't taken many notes on that. Only thing I'm pretty sure of is that there aren't AGS features yet, but I would need to see how to incorporate that. I've witnessed problems on another system where the sunny islands did not like it when the Lithium Batteries got up to almost full charge charging off the generator and threw an error on the inverters.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 26, 2025 at 5:43 AM Jay via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">Thx Sue</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I have dozens of open loop lithium batteries out here with classic controllers working perfectly configured like you say. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Jay</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Nov 26, 2025, at 6:26 AM, Sue Stankevitz via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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We have thousands in the field successfully charging lithium batteries. A WBJR and shunt can be added to provide accurate SOC.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Gowdy via RE-wrenches<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 26, 2025 12:51 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:william@millersolar.com" target="_blank">william@millersolar.com</a>; RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Jim Gowdy <<a href="mailto:gowdyelectriccambria@gmail.com" target="_blank">gowdyelectriccambria@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] New Lithium Batteries on Sunny Island System<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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this as the battery BMS will or at least should do that anyway. Now I dont know about your batteries and I would suggest that you look at the battery cables sizes, I looked at a system that had these so called hight output batteries with # 8 plug in cables,
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<p class="MsoNormal">I know if you call SMA for tech support they may hang up on you when you tell them there are lithium batteries.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> I have a client that just got some lithium batteries and they have a sunny island inverter with a Midnight Charge controller. I've heard and experienced integrating Lithium batteries into a Sunny Island inverter is challenging and
could create problems. Has anyone had experience with these batteries or installing lithium batteries with these components? Below are some details about the system so far.....<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">rated capacity: 180Ah<u></u><u></u></p>
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