<div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">Thanks Kevin, that is my distinct preference as well. But sometimes, if I can get them halfway there, it seems like an improvement and makes the next half step less painful for them. </div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">On a separate note, I have both XW+ and XWpro inverters in the field, and had not noticed the downgrade you mentioned, although I haven't made a study of it either. I have an MIT retired Physics Department head as one of my XWpro clients (dual stack) with 2 eVault Maxs. He has made a study of the programming and all the odd glitches and undocumented impacts of changing one part of the programming has on another seemingly unrelated area of the programming. He has been pushing the limits of the programming and often has to explain to Schneider level 2 tech support what he has done to make the inverter behave in a way that maximizes his self consumption. I guess my point is, he hasn't noticed the problems you referred to, so at this point, I most certainly haven't.</div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">Howie</div><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Howie Michaelson<br></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Oct 27, 2025 at 12:38 PM Kevin Pegg via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-8817675144459707488">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">A word of caution – the XW Pro is, IMO a major downgrade from any previous XW’s. The newest firmware causes all sorts of power quality issues if you are running a generator. Like it literally smoked electronics
for some clients. Schneider knows, they just don’t care. There’s good reason these units are going cheap now to dump obsolete inventory.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">XW Lithium integration is through the Insight Home or Gateway monitoring devices. It can be done, but in my experience it’s constantly glitching out and not delivering reliable power solutions to clients.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I generally recommend to clients if they want newest battery tech, let’s upgrade the inverter as well. Less call backs.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jay via RE-wrenches<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 27, 2025 5:23 AM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Jay <<a href="mailto:jay.peltz@gmail.com" target="_blank">jay.peltz@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Schneider XW+ and Midnite batteries<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Surrettes that are failing. I'd like to switch him out to an AIO/PF16 system, but want to give him the option of keeping the XW+ (which is paired with 2 Outback150vDC Charge Controllers). The mixed brand Inverter-Charge Controller setup gives me some pause
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