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    <p>Hi Jason, I spoke with Solark re Homegrid and EG4. Did not
      mention you name but your experience.  You have been really
      helpful.  I am centering on open loop w EG4. My longest work
      commute is 15 minutes on this island, so it's just having the time
      to trouble shoot. Plus, one mess up, and everyone knows about it. 
      Chris</p>
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              style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">A client on
              an island with three stacks of 8 HomeGrid batteries has
              just called me to report that the entire system is down.
              All of the battery BMS module displays are dark. I have
              mySolArk data from three inverters there that show the
              batteries were topped off and just idling along with solar
              covering the load at 5:00 pm last night when the power
              suddenly went out, killing the Starlink connection. I'm
              going for a boat ride tomorrow to check it out. Ugh. </div>
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              style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I will
              report my findings. Not sure if it's a battery or inverter
              issue, but the customer's handyman reported nothing on the
              battery screens, which seems strange to me. Even an error
              should not turn the display off, as far as I recall.</div>
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              style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">P.S. No
              power loss notifications from Sol-Ark is a
              frustrating loss of functionality. I heard a rumor on
              Facebook that they are fixing this in mySolArk this month,
              but I'm not holding my breath.</div>
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                Jason Szumlanski
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 2, 2025 at
            4:31 PM Jason Szumlanski <<a
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                  <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">We
                    have some stacks of HomeGrid out there in various
                    capacities, from the smallest with five in a stack,
                    up to four fully populated stacks of eight. In
                    total, I oversee around 150 Stack'd batteries,
                    including many that I installed and some that were
                    installed by others. I will say that they are easy
                    to install, have a nice bold visual interface, look
                    good, and perform up to expectations. They
                    communicate flawlessly with Sol-Ark 15k. However...</div>
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                  <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I
                    believe there is a fundamental design flaw in this
                    stackable battery architecture. Here is why I am no
                    longer offering HomeGrid in a nutshell:</div>
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                      <li style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">When
                        one battery in a stack has a fault, the entire
                        stack faults out, which renders the stack
                        non-functional until you either:</li>
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                        <li>Remove the battery from the stack or turn
                          the circuit breaker off, and:</li>
                        <li>Reconfigure all of the dip switches to
                          remove the battery from the communication
                          loop, then:</li>
                        <li>Reprogram the master BMS to recognize the
                          new stack members and their positions.</li>
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                      <li style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">If
                        you have multiple stacks, you have to do all of
                        the above, and in addition:</li>
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                        <li>Remove a battery from each additional stack
                          to balance them, then perform all of the above
                          steps on each stack. </li>
                        <li>But before you reprogram each master BMS you
                          have to take the stacks out of
                          parallel communication, then reprogram the
                          parallel stacks before operation again. </li>
                        <li>Making each stack equal is per HomeGrid
                          support, but in practice, I don't know if it
                          is necessary, especially if you are losing one
                          of eight (12.5%). If you have smaller stacks,
                          this might be a bigger issue.</li>
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                      <li><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">To
                          diagnose a battery issue with a laptop and
                          cable and get warranty support, you can only
                          do that with the master BMS because each
                          battery does not have a comm port. That means
                          you have to have the entire stack
                          non-functional while you perform diagnostics,
                          which is not ideal for off-grid settings,
                          especially if there is only one stack.</font></li>
                      <li><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">If a
                          battery fails to balance and becomes depleted,
                          causing </font>a fault, there are no simple
                        terminal bolts to connect an external charger.
                        I'm not sure how you would even accomplish a
                        manual charge without opening up the case.</li>
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                  <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">The
                    EG4 server rack batteries work in a fundamentally
                    different way. Each battery has an independent BMS.
                    When there is an alarm in a stack or stacks of
                    batteries, the entire battery bank does not fault
                    out. You can physically take a battery out of the
                    stack without changing any dip switches on the other
                    batteries. You can shut one down or experience
                    a fault on one battery without any others shutting
                    down. I have tried this with the LifePower4
                    batteries, even when there are multiple
                    communication strings of 16 batteries connected to a
                    communication hub. The rest of the batteries just
                    keep on working, which is the way it should be! The
                    communication hub will just show zero values for the
                    battery that is missing from the stack. I cannot
                    confirm if this is the case with the LL batteries,
                    but I suspect it would be. In a way, this is like
                    having the batteries in an open loop in terms of
                    resilience, with all of the benefits that
                    closed-loop battery communications offers. I have
                    had a small variety of battery issues with EG4, and
                    not once has the whole bank of batteries been
                    affected by one battery's issue.</div>
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                  <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Side
                    note about another server rack option: I can confirm
                    that Pytes Ebox V1 batteries in a
                    communication stack will shut down all batteries if
                    one has a fault, at least confirmed by one situation
                    I had. This is despite each battery having it's own
                    BMS and console port to communicate with the
                    batteries. The situation in my case was a battery
                    that had no "Barcode" programmed into it, which was
                    causing a parallel communication fault and shutting
                    down the whole stack. In this case, physically
                    bypassing the battery with the issue with a Cat5
                    coupling worked fine. There are no dip switches to
                    set, and the master battery reconfigures the
                    communication stack automatically. With Pytes'
                    support, I was able to manually code in the Barcode
                    to the BMS with a console cable, and the problem
                    went away. I am not sure if all varieties of faults
                    would have the same effect with Pytes EBoxes, but
                    this communication issue definitely caused the whole
                    stack to fault out.</div>
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                  <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">The
                    phenomenon of the new breed of LFP batteries lacking
                    reliability/redundancy inspired a blog post that I
                    did just a couple of weeks ago: <a
href="https://floridasolardesigngroup.com/homegrid-stackd-batteries-the-redundancy-fallacy"
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                  <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">A
                    couple of other notes on HomeGrid:</div>
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                      <li>They do not have any way to connect conduit to
                        the BMS. You wouldn't want to anyway, especially
                        with rigid conduit, since you might need to
                        remove the BMS for service. The BMS should be at
                        the bottom, in my opinion, for this reason. You
                        can only run positive and negative battery
                        cables out of the provided strain relief glands
                        in free air, and it requires that the batteries
                        be about 4 inches away from the wall. There is
                        no suitable way to protect 100% of the battery
                        cables.</li>
                      <li>Along the same lines, if you ever plan to
                        expand the system, make sure you leave enough
                        battery cable length to reach a higher level.</li>
                      <li>The lack of busbars is a really nice feature
                        (until you get into larger systems).</li>
                      <li>The discharge rate supports the maximum input
                        for a Sol-Ark 15K with, I believe, just three
                        batteries.</li>
                      <li>I love their "busbar pair" designed
                        specifically for the Sol-Ark 15K. I order a pair
                        with every inverter, regardless of what battery
                        I am using (although I am not actively selling
                        Sol-Ark right now).</li>
                      <li>You can't monitor the condition of
                        individual batteries with Solar Assistant, or
                        any other tool remotely to my knowledge. You
                        can't even monitor the condition of paralleled
                        stacks.</li>
                      <li>The "app" for the batteries is mind-bendingly
                        useless – unless I'm really missing something.</li>
                      <li>For some firmware and hardware versions,
                        over-the-air updates are not possible, and
                        HomeGrid will need to send you an update tool.
                        To be fair, I think this is also the case with
                        EG4 and some other manufacturers.</li>
                      <li>Once we received a shipment where three of
                        eight batteries were in the right boxes, but
                        there were no guts in the batteries at all! It
                        was just an empty steel battery shell. We had to
                        send them back to our supplier. The boxes
                        actually said 13 Kg on the labels rather than 52
                        Kg, but nobody at the factory caught it.
                        Strange.</li>
                      <li>HomeGrid Support is very competent, I would
                        say among the best in terms of knowing
                        their products inside and out, but it's 50/50
                        whether I get someone on the phone or get a call
                        back in a timely manner that allows me to
                        complete a service call. They are willing to
                        schedule assistance if you have an off-grid
                        situation that requires help.</li>
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                  <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Is
                    this a vote for EG4? Not necessarily, but it's hard
                    to argue with the price and the superior
                    reliability/redundancy aspects of the LifePower4/LL
                    batteries. One battery fault should not shut down an
                    entire system unless there is a legitimate safety
                    hazard. It's possible that these are UL issues
                    that require system shutdowns, but EG4 appears to
                    have overcome the problems I've seen with other
                    manufacturers' products.</div>
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                  <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Like
                    others mentioned, I prefer to go with the 14.3 kWh /
                    16 kWh sealed batteries. I feel they have better
                    build quality (other than my recent rant about rust
                    on the MNP PowerFlo16), and keeping components
                    sealed up better just makes sense to me, especially
                    in challenging environments. Of course, if you want
                    more modularity in terms of expansion options and
                    less impact if a single unit goes down, 5 kWh units
                    might be a better option. There is no right or wrong
                    option, I guess – sometimes it just comes down to
                    priorities, space, mounting options, and price. </div>
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                      Jason Szumlanski
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                          Certified Electrical Contractor EC13013208</font></div>
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                  10:41 AM Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches <<a
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                  Wrenches, I went through the archives and read the
                  comparison between <br>
                  these two.  The HomeGrid manual was in such a mess (or
                  my pdf reader was <br>
                  defunct), that I started looking at other options. If
                  anyone has a <br>
                  strong opinion of either of these two, or something
                  better, I would <br>
                  appreciate.  We traditionally install small systems,
                  and this would be <br>
                  one (@15kWh).  I would prefer to use a racking system
                  with the BMS as <br>
                  part of the packaging. Solark 12kPV multimode.  Thank
                  you, Chris<br>
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                  -- <br>
                  Christopher Warfel, PE<br>
                  ENTECH Engineering, Inc.<br>
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