<div dir="auto">Hi Jay,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Yep, mersen and marathon brands, have similar fine strand DLO ratings on some of their power terminal blocks. I’ve used both types before as I recall.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I am traveling, but will try to post some spec sheets in the next few days.<br clear="all"><br clear="all"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Arial;font-size:16px;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><a name="SignatureSanitizer__MailAutoSig" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><b style="font-family:Arial"><img width="96" height="72" src="https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4zIGox3hmaGW8StlnANQvRdXBrTEgpee6ZmV_8h-pfWcEl7lwlqfhSqd2PgPh89cgzwpzfUzuuIGxKE" style="font-family: Arial;"><br></b></a></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Arial;font-size:16px;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><a name="SignatureSanitizer__MailAutoSig" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><b style="font-family:Arial">Kirk Herander / </b></a><b style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><a href="mailto:kirkh@vermont.solar" title="Send an email to kirkh@vermont.solar; Send an email to kirkh@vermont.solar" style="font-family:Arial;color:blue" target="_blank">kirkh@vermont.solar</a></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Arial;font-size:16px;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><b style="font-family:Arial">Owner|Principal, VT Solar, LLC</b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Arial;font-size:16px;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><b style="font-family:Arial"><i style="font-family:Arial">Celebrating our 34<sup style="font-family:Arial">st</sup> Anniversary 1991-2025!!</i></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Arial;font-size:16px;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">dba Vermont Solar Engineering</span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Arial;font-size:16px;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">802.559.1225</span></p></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 3, 2025 at 6:50 PM jay <<a href="mailto:jay.peltz@gmail.com">jay.peltz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div style="line-break:after-white-space">this got me curious.<div><br></div><div>Here is the only picture I can find of anything rated for fine strand distrubution block. </div><div>Notice it has an extension on the bottom of the compression screw. Which I guess is keeping the find stands out of the threads. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Nothing else I can find says it’s rated from fine strand. </div><div><br></div><div>Happy to be proven wrong. </div><div><br></div><div>jay</div><div><br></div><div><div style="display:block"><div style="display:inline-block" role="link"><a style="border-radius:10px;font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;display:block;width:300px;overflow:hidden;text-decoration:none" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.hubbell.com/burndy/en/products/bdblcs7r1dw-large-flex-rated-power-distribution-block/p/8517004" dir="ltr" role="button" width="300" target="_blank"><table style="table-layout:fixed;border-collapse:collapse;width:300px;font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(228,197,45)" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="300"><tbody style="font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><tr style="font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><td style="font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><table bgcolor="#E4C52D" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="300" style="table-layout:fixed;font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(228,197,45)"><tbody style="font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><tr style="font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><td style="padding:8px 0px;font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div style="max-width:100%;margin:0px 16px;overflow:hidden;font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div style="font-weight:400;font-size:11px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;text-align:left;font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.hubbell.com/burndy/en/products/bdblcs7r1dw-large-flex-rated-power-distribution-block/p/8517004" style="text-decoration:none;font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif" target="_blank"><font style="font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(128,128,128)">hubbell.com</font></a></div></div></td><td style="padding:6px 12px 6px 0px;font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif" width="30"><a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.hubbell.com/burndy/en/products/bdblcs7r1dw-large-flex-rated-power-distribution-block/p/8517004" target="_blank" style="font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><img alt="apple-touch-icon.png" src="cid:ii_19911dbea92aab434bf1" style="width:180px;max-width:100%"></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></a></div></div><br id="m_-4704099104759972197lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Sep 3, 2025, at 3:56 PM, Kirk Herander <kirkh@vermont.solar> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="auto">IMO, any OEM that recommends a ferrule does not use fine-strand rated compression lugs in their equipment.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Rated lugs do exist, they just don’t seem to be spec’ed by OEMs.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I don’t like ferrules on battery cable and always use fine-stranded compression PDBs when building custom battery combiners.</div><div dir="auto"><br clear="all"><br clear="all"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:16px;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><a name="m_-4704099104759972197_SignatureSanitizer__MailAutoSig" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><b style="font-family:Arial"><img width="96" height="72" src="https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4zIGox3hmaGW8StlnANQvRdXBrTEgpee6ZmV_8h-pfWcEl7lwlqfhSqd2PgPh89cgzwpzfUzuuIGxKE" style="font-family: Arial;"><br></b></a></div><div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:16px;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><a name="m_-4704099104759972197_SignatureSanitizer__MailAutoSig" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><b style="font-family:Arial">Kirk Herander / </b></a><b style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><a href="mailto:kirkh@vermont.solar" title="Send an email to kirkh@vermont.solar; 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I just have not had a problem with that, but I've mostly used Magnum, Midnite, and Outback equipment over the years. What were the lugs on the old Trace DC 250 boxes? Were they fine strand rated? They sure were tough to get 4/0 into, as William mentioned. </p><p style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">Ray <br>Remote Solar</p><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">On 9/3/2025 12:57 PM, Kent via RE-wrenches wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><p style="font-family:Helvetica">William,</p><p style="font-family:Helvetica">If the only reason the ferrule wouldn't fit after using the hex crimper was the ridge left where the dies meet, you could rotate the cable 120 degrees and crimp the ferrule again.</p><p style="font-family:Helvetica">I doubt that the indenter crimper will do a decent job with large ferrules.</p><p style="font-family:Helvetica">I do like your thin piece of copper solution. Not UL approved but I dare say wrench approved.<br></p>Kent Osterberg<br>Blue Mountain Solar<p style="font-family:Helvetica"><br></p><div style="font-family:Helvetica">On 9/2/2025 8:55 PM, William Miller via RE-wrenches wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:Helvetica"><div style="font-family:Helvetica"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Friends:</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> </span></p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Thank you for all of your input on this question. I feel it only right I report back how this turned out</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> </span></p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">I tried a crimper like this:</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> </span></p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">It left a jagged ridge on both sides of the ferrule where the dies met.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> </span></p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">The crimper below was suggested but I have not tried it:</span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">This was suggested but I have not tried it either:</span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 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