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<p>I use the Sunny Island designation of "Protected Loads."</p>
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<p id="reply-intro">On 2025-08-09 13:54, jay via RE-wrenches wrote:</p>
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<div>On Aug 9, 2025, at 11:26 AM, Foxfire Energy via RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:</div>
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<div class="v1x_gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 9:50 AM david quattro via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div dir="auto">True. if you want to do grid, gen, and AC Couple then you need a transfer switch or contactor. </div>
<div dir="auto"> Likewise I haven't touched a Powerwall, nor an Enphase battery. </div>
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<div class="v1x_gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 9:36 AM jay via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div style="line-break: after-white-space;">One big issue with the AIO's is that you can't do grid, generator and ac coupling to the best of my understanding
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<div>I do like the idea of just removing the old GT inverter and stuffing that into the AIO, elegant</div>
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<div>yes its my understanding that Tesla won't accept generator. While many are pissed off at eg4, I won't touch tesla.</div>
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<div>and FYI you can buy the same inverter at Fortress. </div>
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<div>thanks everyone.</div>
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<div>On Aug 9, 2025, at 10:28 AM, Tyrone Houck via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div>Midnite AIO and Sol-Ark both work great for AC coupling in my experience. If anyone is new to "All In One" inverters I recommend having tech support walk you through commissioning, check firmware, etc. the first time. </div>
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<div class="v1x_gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sat, Aug 9, 2025, 8:47 AM William Miller via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div dir="auto">1. AC couple existing inverter to a battery capable inverter. </div>
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<div dir="auto">I favor option 2. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Option 1 is only preferred if gaining access to the existing inverter for replacement is difficult. An example would be a micro-inverter system.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I'm new to this so type of upgrade so I welcome any corrections to these opinions. I did replace a Sunny Boy in my shop with a Soul Ark and it's working great!</div>
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<div class="v1x_gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 8:26 AM Jay via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:</div>
<blockquote class="v1x_gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: #cccccc;">Is there a consensus as to what equipment to use for adding battery backup to normal GT inverter? <span class="v1Apple-converted-space"> </span><br /><br /><br /><br />I've had a few people ask and I actually haven't done it.<span class="v1Apple-converted-space"> </span><br /><br />Thx<span class="v1Apple-converted-space"> </span><br />Jay<br /><br /><br />_______________________________________________<br />List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br /><br />Pay optional member dues here:<span class="v1Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://re-wrenches.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://re-wrenches.org</a><br /><br />List Address:<span class="v1Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br /><br />Change listserver email address & settings:<br /><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br /><br />There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other:<br /><a href="https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/</a><br /><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br /><br />List rules & etiquette:<br /><a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a><br /><br />Check out or update participant bios:<br /><a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><br /><br /></blockquote>
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