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    <p>That part about utilities controlling the systems caught my eye.

      Most Utility Commissions are in the pocket of the utilities in my

      opinion. In Rhode Island, it is almost impossible to get

      intervenor status.  Then you are relegated to Public Comment. The

      "Consumer Advocate" has never in my memory in30 years advocated on

      the side of the "consumer".  </p>

    <p>I will tell you that in this State, the utilities think they own

      your investment, and Block Island Power Company's Jeff Wright

      President (from Velco}, and the Chair of the Board MacMullan

      presented extremely poor analysis to change the customer

      generation policies.  The PUC yawned and gave it a pass. They

      didn't even investigate the analysis. The utility based it all

      upon ONE customer, while I presented a amalgamation of 15.  Not

      even discussed.</p>

    <p>So, if you have such a similar Commission, you need to make sure

      you do as much public outreach to more the chains.  We are so

      small, it is just about impossible.  Chris Warfel</p>

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    </p>

    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/9/2025 7:40 PM, William Bryce via

      RE-wrenches wrote:<br>

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        <p>If you are using the inverter with nothing connected to the

          high-voltage DC (PV) bus, AC Coupling is not recommended. </p>

        <p>The MNP AIO can operate as a standard string inverter, with

          or without a battery. Unlike most other AIOs, it can run with

          both a generator and AC-coupled inputs at the same time

          (personally tested). However, the AC-coupled input must be

          smaller (lower output) than the generator input; otherwise,

          the generator may drop offline. This limitation is in place to

          protect the generator’s control system.</p>

        <p>A side note: </p>

        <p>As with all inverters, firmware remains a major

          consideration. Fixes and adjustments can sometimes introduce

          new issues. As inverter technology advances—and with some

          states requiring utilities to control customer-owned

          equipment—firmware complexity will likely continue to grow,

          creating ongoing challenges for installers. We are all in for

          more challenges as we move forward.</p>

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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 5:27 PM

          Jay via RE-wrenches <<a

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          wrote:<br>

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            <div dir="ltr">Thx William</div>

            <div dir="ltr"><br>

            </div>

            <div dir="ltr">The instructions specifically say that AC

              coupling only is not recommended. </div>

            <div dir="ltr">To me I read that in terms of the inverter

              wanting DC solar as well </div>

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            <div dir="ltr">Can you explain what’s going on. </div>

            <div dir="ltr">Which is the correct way to install it and

              why does it say not recommended </div>

            <div dir="ltr"><br>

            </div>

            <div dir="ltr">Thx</div>

            <div dir="ltr">Jay</div>

            <div dir="ltr"><br>

              <blockquote type="cite">On Aug 9, 2025, at 3:13 PM,

                William Bryce via RE-wrenches <<a

                  href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"

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                wrote:<br>

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                <div dir="ltr">With the MNP AIO You can use an AC couple

                  array at the same time as the Generator. But.... If

                  the AC coupled input is larger than the

                  Generator input, the Gen set relay will open to

                  protect the Generator.</div>

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                  <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 9, 2025

                    at 3:12 PM Jay via RE-wrenches <<a

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                    wrote:<br>

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                      <div dir="ltr">Thx I looked it up. </div>

                      <div dir="ltr">But according to midnite they don’t

                        recommend a only ac coupled system. </div>

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                      <div dir="ltr">Jay</div>

                      <div dir="ltr"><br>

                        <blockquote type="cite">On Aug 9, 2025, at

                          12:53 PM, Dave Tedeyan via RE-wrenches <<a

href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank"

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                          wrote:<br>

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                          <div dir="auto">The Midnite Power AIO has

                            inputs for grid, generator, AC coupling and

                            another smart load. I have not used both

                            generator and AC coupling to see how it acts

                            if both are active at the same time, but at

                            least the inputs are there for them both.</div>

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                            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat,

                              Aug 9, 2025, 2:33 PM Jerry Shafer via

                              RE-wrenches <<a

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                              wrote:<br>

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                              <div dir="auto">Jason, Wrenches,

                                <div dir="auto">Consensus well that may

                                  not be the correct word to use,

                                  personally l have used Solark for

                                  retrofitting systems that already have

                                  GT type inverters, if you go with AC

                                  Coupling then the gen set connection

                                  is a little more complicated but very

                                  doable.</div>

                                <div dir="auto">Funtimes</div>

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                                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On

                                  Sat, Aug 9, 2025, 11:26 AM Jason

                                  Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <<a

href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer"

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                                  wrote:<br>

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                                        <div class="gmail_default"

style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I go with "Backup Loads"

                                          on my drawings.</div>

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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>

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                                        <div class="gmail_default"

style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Tesla will not charge

                                          from a generator. But you can

                                          obviously have a

                                          generator power the loads via

                                          a transfer switch if the

                                          battery is completely

                                          depleted. It's not the best

                                          solution, for sure. </div>

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                                          <div dir="ltr"><br>

                                            Jason Szumlanski

                                            <div><span

style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Principal

                                                Solar Designer | Florida

                                                Solar Design Group</span><br

style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">

                                              <span

style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">NABCEP

                                                Certified Solar

                                                Professional (PVIP)</span><br

style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">

                                              <span

style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Florida

                                                State Certified Solar

                                                Contractor CVC56956</span></div>

                                            <div><font color="#333333"

face="Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Florida

                                                Certified Electrical

                                                Contractor EC13013208</font></div>

                                          </div>

                                        </div>

                                      </div>

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                                      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On

                                        Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 1:57 PM jay

                                        via RE-wrenches <<a

href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"

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                                        wrote:<br>

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                                        <div>Yeah I’ve given up trying

                                          to correct people on that one.

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                                              <blockquote type="cite">

                                                <div>On Aug 9, 2025, at

                                                  11:26 AM, Foxfire

                                                  Energy via RE-wrenches

                                                  <<a

href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"

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                                                  wrote:</div>

                                                <br>

                                                <div>

                                                  <div

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                                                    just an FYI, I

                                                    actually got dinged

                                                    for labeling the AC

                                                    output panel from a

                                                    battery backup

                                                    inverter as

                                                    "Critical Loads"..

                                                    Critical loads

                                                    (Critical Branch

                                                    circuits) are

                                                    defined in article

                                                    100 of the NEC as

                                                    circuits associated

                                                    with Patient Care..

                                                    AC loads from

                                                    battery backup

                                                    inverters are more

                                                    appropriately

                                                    defined as

                                                    "Dedicated Loads".. </div>

                                                  <div

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                                                    someone could

                                                    correct me here, but

                                                    I'm under the

                                                    impression most

                                                    garden-variety

                                                    inverters are not

                                                    rated for Critical

                                                    Load applications.</div>

                                                  <div

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face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b><span> </span>RE-wrenches

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                                                      on behalf of

                                                      William Miller via

                                                      RE-wrenches <<a

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                                                      <b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Saturday,

                                                      August 9, 2025

                                                      1:03 PM<br>

                                                      <b>To:</b><span> </span>RE-wrenches

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                                                      <b>Cc:</b><span> </span>William

                                                      Miller <<a

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                                                      <b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re:

                                                      [RE-wrenches]

                                                      Adding battery to

                                                      grid tie</font>

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                                                    me if <span>I'm

                                                      wrong:  I believe

                                                      AIOs can accept AC

                                                      coupled power

                                                      through the load

                                                      ‘output’ port.

                                                      That leaves the

                                                      Grid and Gen

                                                      inputs free for

                                                      their roles as

                                                      labelled. </span>

                                                    <div dir="auto"><font

face="-apple-system, sans-serif"><br>

                                                      </font></div>

                                                    <div dir="auto"><font

face="-apple-system, sans-serif">The AC coupled inverters connect via a

                                                        breaker in the

                                                        critical loads

                                                        panel. </font></div>

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                                                    <div dir="auto">

                                                      <div dir="auto"><br>

                                                        <div>

                                                          <div dir="ltr">William

                                                          Miller<br>

                                                          Miller

                                                          Solar.com<br>

                                                          805-438-5600<br>

                                                          <a

href="http://www.millersolar.com/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer"

target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.millersolar.com</a><br>

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                                                        <div>

                                                          <div dir="ltr">On

                                                          Sat, Aug 9,

                                                          2025 at

                                                          9:50 AM david

                                                          quattro via

                                                          RE-wrenches

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                                                          wrote:<br>

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                                                          dir="auto">True.

                                                           if you want

                                                          to do grid,

                                                          gen, and AC

                                                          Couple then

                                                          you need a

                                                          transfer

                                                          switch or

                                                          contactor. </div>

                                                          <div

                                                          dir="auto">   

                                                             Likewise I

                                                          haven’t

                                                          touched a

                                                          Powerwall, nor

                                                          an Enphase

                                                          battery. </div>

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                                                          <div>

                                                          <div dir="ltr">On

                                                          Sat, Aug 9,

                                                          2025 at

                                                          9:36 AM jay

                                                          via

                                                          RE-wrenches

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                                                          wrote:<br>

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                                                          <div>One big

                                                          issue with the

                                                          AIO’s is that

                                                          you can’t do

                                                          grid,

                                                          generator and

                                                          ac coupling to

                                                          the best of my

                                                          understanding 

                                                          <div><br>

                                                          </div>

                                                          <div>I do like

                                                          the idea of

                                                          just removing

                                                          the old GT

                                                          inverter and

                                                          stuffing that

                                                          into the AIO,

                                                          elegant</div>

                                                          <div><br>

                                                          </div>

                                                          <div>yes its

                                                          my

                                                          understanding

                                                          that Tesla

                                                          won’t accept

                                                          generator. 

                                                          While many are

                                                          pissed off at

                                                          eg4, I won’t

                                                          touch tesla.</div>

                                                          <div><br>

                                                          </div>

                                                          <div>and FYI

                                                          you can buy

                                                          the same

                                                          inverter at

                                                          Fortress. </div>

                                                          <div><br>

                                                          </div>

                                                          <div>thanks

                                                          everyone.</div>

                                                          <div><br>

                                                          </div>

                                                          <div>jay</div>

                                                          <div><br>

                                                          </div>

                                                          <div><br>

                                                          <div>

                                                          <div>

                                                          <div><br>

                                                          <blockquote

                                                          type="cite">

                                                          <div>On Aug 9,

                                                          2025, at

                                                          10:28 AM,

                                                          Tyrone Houck

                                                          via

                                                          RE-wrenches

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                                                          wrote:</div>

                                                          <br>

                                                          <div>

                                                          <div

                                                          dir="auto">

                                                          <div>Midnite

                                                          AIO and

                                                          Sol-Ark both

                                                          work great for

                                                          AC coupling in

                                                          my experience.

                                                          If anyone is

                                                          new to "All In

                                                          One" inverters

                                                          I recommend

                                                          having tech

                                                          support walk

                                                          you through

                                                          commissioning,

                                                          check

                                                          firmware, etc.

                                                          the first

                                                          time. </div>

                                                          <div><br>

                                                          </div>

                                                          <div><br>

                                                             <span> </span></div>

                                                          </div>

                                                          <br>

                                                          <div>

                                                          <div dir="ltr">On

                                                          Sat, Aug 9,

                                                          2025, 8:47 AM

                                                          William Miller

                                                          via

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                                                          wrote:<br>

                                                          </div>

                                                          <blockquote

style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Two

                                                          options:

                                                          <div

                                                          dir="auto"><br>

                                                          </div>

                                                          <div

                                                          dir="auto">1.

                                                          AC couple

                                                          existing

                                                          inverter to a

                                                          battery

                                                          capable

                                                          inverter. </div>

                                                          <div

                                                          dir="auto"><br>

                                                          </div>

                                                          <div

                                                          dir="auto">2.

                                                          Replace

                                                          existing

                                                          inverter. </div>

                                                          <div

                                                          dir="auto"><br>

                                                          </div>

                                                          <div

                                                          dir="auto">I

                                                          favor option

                                                          2. </div>

                                                          <div

                                                          dir="auto"><br>

                                                          </div>

                                                          <div

                                                          dir="auto">Option

                                                          1 is only

                                                          preferred if

                                                          gaining access

                                                          to the

                                                          existing

                                                          inverter for

                                                          replacement is

                                                          difficult. An

                                                          example would

                                                          be a

                                                          micro-inverter

                                                          system.</div>

                                                          <div

                                                          dir="auto"><br>

                                                          </div>

                                                          <div

                                                          dir="auto">New

                                                          AIO inverters

                                                          allow true

                                                          high voltage

                                                          PV input so

                                                          the existing

                                                          stringing will

                                                          probably not

                                                          need to be

                                                          modified. </div>

                                                          <div

                                                          dir="auto"><br>

                                                          </div>

                                                          <div

                                                          dir="auto">

                                                          <div

                                                          dir="auto">I’m

                                                          new to this so

                                                          type of

                                                          upgrade so I

                                                          welcome any

                                                          corrections to

                                                          these

                                                          opinions.  I

                                                          did replace a

                                                          Sunny Boy in

                                                          my shop with a

                                                          Soul Ark and

                                                          it’s working

                                                          great!</div>

                                                          <div

                                                          dir="auto"><br>

                                                          <div

                                                          dir="auto">

                                                          <div dir="ltr">William

                                                          Miller<br>

                                                          Miller

                                                          Solar.com<br>

                                                          805-438-5600<br>

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                                                          </div>

                                                          </div>

                                                          </div>

                                                          <div

                                                          dir="auto"><br>

                                                          </div>

                                                          <div

                                                          dir="auto"><br>

                                                          <div>

                                                          <div dir="ltr">On

                                                          Sat, Aug 9,

                                                          2025 at

                                                          8:26 AM Jay

                                                          via

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                                                          wrote:<br>

                                                          </div>

                                                          <blockquote

style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Is

                                                          there a

                                                          consensus as

                                                          to what

                                                          equipment to

                                                          use for adding

                                                          battery backup

                                                          to normal GT

                                                          inverter? <span> </span><br>

                                                          <br>

                                                          <br>

                                                          <br>

                                                          I’ve had a few

                                                          people ask and

                                                          I actually

                                                          haven’t done

                                                          it.<span> </span><br>

                                                          <br>

                                                          Thx<span> </span><br>

                                                          Jay<br>

                                                          <br>

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