<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Yeah I’ve given up trying to correct people on that one.<div><br></div><div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Aug 9, 2025, at 11:26 AM, Foxfire Energy via RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset="UTF-8"><div class="elementToProof" style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Umm, just an FYI, I actually got dinged for labeling the AC output panel from a battery backup inverter as "Critical Loads".. Critical loads (Critical Branch circuits) are defined in article 100 of the NEC as circuits associated with Patient Care.. AC loads from battery backup inverters are more appropriately defined as "Dedicated Loads".. </div><div class="elementToProof" style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Maybe someone could correct me here, but I'm under the impression most garden-variety inverters are not rated for Critical Load applications.</div><div class="elementToProof" style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">db</div><div id="appendonsend" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"></div><hr tabindex="-1" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; display: inline-block; width: 742.828125px;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;"></span><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;"><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org> on behalf of William Miller via RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, August 9, 2025 1:03 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org><br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>William Miller <william@millersolar.com><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [RE-wrenches] Adding battery to grid tie</font><div> </div></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Correct me if <span>I'm wrong: I believe AIOs can accept AC coupled power through the load ‘output’ port. That leaves the Grid and Gen inputs free for their roles as labelled. </span><div dir="auto"><font face="-apple-system, sans-serif" style=""><br></font></div><div dir="auto"><font face="-apple-system, sans-serif" style="">The AC coupled inverters connect via a breaker in the critical loads panel. </font></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><font face="-apple-system, sans-serif" style=""></font><div dir="auto"><br><div><div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">William Miller<br>Miller Solar.com<br>805-438-5600<br><a href="http://www.millersolar.com/">www.millersolar.com</a><br></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br><div class="x_gmail_quote x_gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 9:50 AM david quattro via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="x_gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><div dir="auto">True. if you want to do grid, gen, and AC Couple then you need a transfer switch or contactor. </div><div dir="auto"> Likewise I haven’t touched a Powerwall, nor an Enphase battery. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br><div class="x_gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 9:36 AM jay via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="x_gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><div style="line-break: after-white-space;">One big issue with the AIO’s is that you can’t do grid, generator and ac coupling to the best of my understanding <div><br></div><div>I do like the idea of just removing the old GT inverter and stuffing that into the AIO, elegant</div><div><br></div><div>yes its my understanding that Tesla won’t accept generator. While many are pissed off at eg4, I won’t touch tesla.</div><div><br></div><div>and FYI you can buy the same inverter at Fortress. </div><div><br></div><div>thanks everyone.</div><div><br></div><div>jay</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Aug 9, 2025, at 10:28 AM, Tyrone Houck via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="auto"><div>Midnite AIO and Sol-Ark both work great for AC coupling in my experience. If anyone is new to "All In One" inverters I recommend having tech support walk you through commissioning, check firmware, etc. the first time. </div><div><br></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><br> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div></div><br><div class="x_gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 9, 2025, 8:47 AM William Miller via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="x_gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">Two options:<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">1. AC couple existing inverter to a battery capable inverter. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">2. Replace existing inverter. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I favor option 2. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Option 1 is only preferred if gaining access to the existing inverter for replacement is difficult. An example would be a micro-inverter system.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">New AIO inverters allow true high voltage PV input so the existing stringing will probably not need to be modified. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">I’m new to this so type of upgrade so I welcome any corrections to these opinions. I did replace a Sunny Boy in my shop with a Soul Ark and it’s working great!</div><div dir="auto"><br><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">William Miller<br>Miller Solar.com<br>805-438-5600<br><a href="http://www.millersolar.com/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">www.millersolar.com</a><br></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br><div class="x_gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 8:26 AM Jay via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="x_gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">Is there a consensus as to what equipment to use for adding battery backup to normal GT inverter? <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><br><br>I’ve had a few people ask and I actually haven’t done it.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Thx<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Jay<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br><br>Pay optional member dues here:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://re-wrenches.org/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List Address:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>Change listserver email address & settings:<br><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>There are two list archives for searching. 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font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">List rules & etiquette:</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; 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