<div dir="ltr"><p>If you are using the inverter with nothing connected to the high-voltage DC (PV) bus, AC Coupling is not recommended. </p>
<p>The MNP AIO can operate as a standard string inverter, with or without a battery. Unlike most other AIOs, it can run with both a generator and AC-coupled inputs at the same time (personally tested). However, the AC-coupled input must be smaller (lower output) than the generator input; otherwise, the generator may drop offline. This limitation is in place to protect the generator’s control system.</p>
<p>A side note: </p><p>As with all inverters, firmware remains a major consideration. Fixes and adjustments can sometimes introduce new issues. As inverter technology advances—and with some states requiring utilities to control customer-owned equipment—firmware complexity will likely continue to grow, creating ongoing challenges for installers. We are all in for more challenges as we move forward.</p></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 5:27 PM Jay via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">Thx William</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">The instructions specifically say that AC coupling only is not recommended. </div><div dir="ltr">To me I read that in terms of the inverter wanting DC solar as well </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Can you explain what’s going on. </div><div dir="ltr">Which is the correct way to install it and why does it say not recommended </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Thx</div><div dir="ltr">Jay</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Aug 9, 2025, at 3:13 PM, William Bryce via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">With the MNP AIO You can use an AC couple array at the same time as the Generator. But.... If the AC coupled input is larger than the Generator input, the Gen set relay will open to protect the Generator.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 3:12 PM Jay via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">Thx I looked it up. </div><div dir="ltr">But according to midnite they don’t recommend a only ac coupled system. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Jay</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Aug 9, 2025, at 12:53 PM, Dave Tedeyan via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">The Midnite Power AIO has inputs for grid, generator, AC coupling and another smart load. I have not used both generator and AC coupling to see how it acts if both are active at the same time, but at least the inputs are there for them both.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 9, 2025, 2:33 PM Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Jason, Wrenches,<div dir="auto">Consensus well that may not be the correct word to use, personally l have used Solark for retrofitting systems that already have GT type inverters, if you go with AC Coupling then the gen set connection is a little more complicated but very doable.</div><div dir="auto">Funtimes</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 9, 2025, 11:26 AM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I go with "Backup Loads" on my drawings.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Tesla will not charge from a generator. But you can obviously have a generator power the loads via a transfer switch if the battery is completely depleted. It's not the best solution, for sure. </div><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><br>Jason Szumlanski<div><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design Group</span><br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">NABCEP Certified Solar Professional (PVIP)</span><br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Florida State Certified Solar Contractor CVC56956</span></div><div><font color="#333333" face="Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Florida Certified Electrical Contractor EC13013208</font></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 1:57 PM jay via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Yeah I’ve given up trying to correct people on that one.<div><br></div><div><br id="m_4281309004242414531m_5513308420980329751m_7962108807054321319m_-485678509211641469m_-923986331123272988lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Aug 9, 2025, at 11:26 AM, Foxfire Energy via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Umm, just an FYI, I actually got dinged for labeling the AC output panel from a battery backup inverter as "Critical Loads".. Critical loads (Critical Branch circuits) are defined in article 100 of the NEC as circuits associated with Patient Care.. AC loads from battery backup inverters are more appropriately defined as "Dedicated Loads".. </div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Maybe someone could correct me here, but I'm under the impression most garden-variety inverters are not rated for Critical Load applications.</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">db</div><div id="m_4281309004242414531m_5513308420980329751m_7962108807054321319m_-485678509211641469m_-923986331123272988appendonsend" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"></div><hr style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;display:inline-block;width:742.828px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline"></span><div id="m_4281309004242414531m_5513308420980329751m_7962108807054321319m_-485678509211641469m_-923986331123272988divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b><span> </span>RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> on behalf of William Miller via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br><b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Saturday, August 9, 2025 1:03 PM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b><span> </span>William Miller <<a href="mailto:william@millersolar.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">william@millersolar.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [RE-wrenches] Adding battery to grid tie</font><div> </div></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">Correct me if <span>I'm wrong:  I believe AIOs can accept AC coupled power through the load ‘output’ port. That leaves the Grid and Gen inputs free for their roles as labelled. </span><div dir="auto"><font face="-apple-system, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div dir="auto"><font face="-apple-system, sans-serif">The AC coupled inverters connect via a breaker in the critical loads panel. </font></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><font face="-apple-system, sans-serif"></font><div dir="auto"><br><div><div dir="ltr">William Miller<br>Miller Solar.com<br>805-438-5600<br><a href="http://www.millersolar.com/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">www.millersolar.com</a><br></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br><div><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 9:50 AM david quattro via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">True.  if you want to do grid, gen, and AC Couple then you need a transfer switch or contactor. </div><div dir="auto">       Likewise I haven’t touched a Powerwall, nor an Enphase battery. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br><div><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 9:36 AM jay via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>One big issue with the AIO’s is that you can’t do grid, generator and ac coupling to the best of my understanding <div><br></div><div>I do like the idea of just removing the old GT inverter and stuffing that into the AIO, elegant</div><div><br></div><div>yes its my understanding that Tesla won’t accept generator.  While many are pissed off at eg4, I won’t touch tesla.</div><div><br></div><div>and FYI you can buy the same inverter at Fortress. </div><div><br></div><div>thanks everyone.</div><div><br></div><div>jay</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Aug 9, 2025, at 10:28 AM, Tyrone Houck via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="auto"><div>Midnite AIO and Sol-Ark both work great for AC coupling in my experience. If anyone is new to "All In One" inverters I recommend having tech support walk you through commissioning, check firmware, etc. the first time. </div><div><br></div><div><br>   <span> </span></div></div><br><div><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Aug 9, 2025, 8:47 AM William Miller via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Two options:<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">1. AC couple existing inverter to a battery capable inverter. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">2. Replace existing inverter. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I favor option 2. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Option 1 is only preferred if gaining access to the existing inverter for replacement is difficult. An example would be a micro-inverter system.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">New AIO inverters allow true high voltage PV input so the existing stringing will probably not need to be modified. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">I’m new to this so type of upgrade so I welcome any corrections to these opinions.  I did replace a Sunny Boy in my shop with a Soul Ark and it’s working great!</div><div dir="auto"><br><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">William Miller<br>Miller Solar.com<br>805-438-5600<br><a href="http://www.millersolar.com/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">www.millersolar.com</a><br></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br><div><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 8:26 AM Jay via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Is there a consensus as to what equipment to use for adding battery backup to normal GT inverter? <span> </span><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