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Take a look at the Schneider VHU363NRB. The installation manual shows a single break per conductor 250 VDC, but it may be (per MH forum) that UL listing requires breaking the ungrounded conductor twice. I would confirm with Tech Support. Pricing all over the
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 29, 2025 1:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> david quattro <david@quattrosolar.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> MD Electric & Solar <mdelectricsolar@gmail.com>; RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery RSD</font>
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<div class="x_gmail_default" style="font-size:small">We already have an RSD system installed, it shuts down the tigo's on the rooftop and it shuts down the AC output of the inverter, making the home safe for firefighters. I can't imagine what an additional
battery shut down could do for safety, at 48V DC nominal?</div>
<div class="x_gmail_default" style="font-size:small">But we must comply with the AHJ........</div>
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<div class="x_gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I priced (online) an Eaton 100amp 600V DC rated knife switch NEMA 3R, $4000.00....ouch</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 10:41 AM david quattro <<a href="mailto:david@quattrosolar.com">david@quattrosolar.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">I use the SolArk 12v micro-circuit that triggers RSD. hopefully that’s all they’re looking for, is to kill ESS and solar DC. When using plunger-type, or single gang it’s easy. But when they require a knife blade style switch it’s tricky
(with SolArk and Midnite). This is because in order to deenergize ESS/RSD you have to
<u>complete</u> the micro circuit.</div>
<div dir="auto"> Eaton makes a Nema4 switch that can be turned upside down. that puts the red handle on the left side, which is unusual but I’ve done it, and I don’t think it violates any requirement. </div>
<div dir="auto"> otherwise you’re stuck using an ice cube relay. Initiating RSD is easy, but getting everything to turn back on is harder. Feel free to call me if you want</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 9:46 AM MD Electric & Solar via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div class="x_gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Wondering if Midnight solar makes something outdoor rated, with a typical 250ADC breaker, like this:</div>
<div class="x_gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Outdoor rated, lockable....</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 9:39 AM jay <<a href="mailto:jay.peltz@gmail.com" target="_blank">jay.peltz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Maybe if you left the key on a chain to open the door, and placard with instructions on the outside that would work?
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<div class="x_gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Correct, it does not have an external disconnect, but if you open the cover, each battery has it's own disconnect and the Sol-Ark has a battery disconnect. </div>
<div class="x_gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Looks like I'm in the market for a 100 amp rated outdoor, lockable DC rated knife switch.</div>
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<div>I had to look up that battery enclosure and if I understand correctly it does not have an external breaker/disconnect so yes the inspector is correct in the need for one if I understand.
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I’ll let the code experts chime in, but I would ask for the code reference they are referring to.<br>
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The only one I can think of has to do with if the batteries are on the other side of a wall.<br>
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Thats as clean an install as they come<br>
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>> What is the layout of the equipment<br>
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>> Are the batteries next to and therefore in sight of the inverter?<br>
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>> Jay<br>
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>>> On Jul 29, 2025, at 8:44 AM, MDElectricSolar via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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>>> I have a building inspector in my county of Sonoma who has just told me that we need to install a rapid shutdown switch of some type between my LFZ battery bank and my Solark 15k inverter. He mentioned some type of knife switch within 5 feet of the equipment.
I cannot find any reference to this requirement anywhere but he insists it is required. These batteries happen to be simplify or brakes and Stratton batteries and each battery has its own 80 amp breaker on the battery and the Solark has a battery disconnect
switch built-in. We do have module level RSD which kills the solar output as well as the inverter output when the button is pushed. Does anyone have any experience with this or can they point me to the correct code section or what are others doing to comply
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