<div dir="ltr" gmail_original="1"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">In open loop there is no cable between the batteries and the inverter, but the batteries are connected together and communicating with each other. I am certain it is a battery issue because the leader battery will fault out, and then the whole stack comes back to life automatically. I have been working with Pytes on this issue. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">There are no loads large enough at this site to overwhelm the inverter. In fact, it typically bounces from 50W - 500W all day and night when the home is unoccupied.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">So I know it's a battery 0V issue that is causing the inverter to turn off.</div><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><br>Jason Szumlanski<div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design Group</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">NABCEP Certified Solar Professional (PVIP)</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Florida State Certified Solar Contractor CVC56956</span></div><div><font color="#333333" face="Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Florida Certified Electrical Contractor EC13013208</font></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 2:36 PM jay <jay.peltz@gmail.com> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>I think you said you’ve tried it open and closed loop same issue.<div>In the open loop are the batteries connected via comm cables between the batteries?</div><div>and do you know if they are connected together via comms does that mean they will all shut down if one shuts down?</div><div><br></div><div>And you’re sure it’s not some weird load that is shutting the inverter off?  </div><div><br></div><div>jay</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br id="m_-3859198419948203169lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jul 16, 2025, at 12:29 PM, Jason Szumlanski <<a href="mailto:jason@floridasolardesigngroup.com" target="_blank">jason@<wbr>floridasolardesigngroup.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Midnite AIO with 8 x Pytes 48100R E-Box.</div><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><br>Jason Szumlanski<div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design Group</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">NABCEP Certified Solar Professional (PVIP)</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Florida State Certified Solar Contractor CVC56956</span></div><div><font color="#333333" face="Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Florida Certified Electrical Contractor EC13013208</font></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><img width="0" height="0" class="mailtrack-img" alt="" style="display:flex" src="https://mailtrack.io/trace/mail/w/cmUtd3JlbmNoZXNAbGlzdHMucmUtd3JlbmNoZXMub3Jn/36614222fcd7b0f5fa3f27ffd741c1815576fc61.png?u=1613865" ><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 8:36 AM Jay via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-<wbr>wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">Jason can you remind us what equipment is being used?</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Jay</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jul 16, 2025, at 5:21 AM, Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-<wbr>wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">This particular system is open loop at this time (which we set to try to diagnose the battery random shutdown issue) but the same thing was happening in closed loop (Pytes E-Box).</div><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><br></div><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Am off-grid firmware is exactly what we need here. Customers "upgrading" from old Trace SW inverters or others are actually getting a downgrade in terms of autonomy. These new systems need babysitting.</div><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><br>Jason Szumlanski<div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design Group</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">NABCEP Certified Solar Professional (PVIP)</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Florida State Certified Solar Contractor CVC56956</span></div><div><font color="#333333" face="Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Florida Certified Electrical Contractor EC13013208</font></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 15, 2025 at 9:04 PM William Bryce via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-<wbr>wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="auto">MNP  has a plan for a “off grid”  firmware specification, that will mirror the old UL1741  that was found in the old SW inverters. This will be under the Grid Tab, and will remove all the ESS requirements.  MNP does not have firm timeline for this, but it is on the near term list. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 15, 2025 at 2:26 PM Jay via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-<wbr>wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">I can’t agree more that auto restart is a requirement. </div><div dir="ltr">A well designed system that has the inverter shut off( shut down or not sure what the correct term is) due to low battery should restart in the morning. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Now I could easily see that it will have to get to some X amount of SOC or volts or watts of input before it connects the AC loads. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Jay</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jul 15, 2025, at 3:21 PM, Chris Schaefer via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-<wbr>wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Mr. Bryce,<div><br></div><div>As offgrid is our biggest piece of the pie, I too would like to have the AIO power back up when voltage is at an acceptable level just as our OB's, Magnum's and Xantrex's have been for years. My hope is that in the very near future a firmware upgrade would make this a selectable feature.<div><br></div><div>Much appreciated,</div><div>Christopher</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 15, 2025 at 4:35 PM William Bryce via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-<wbr>wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr">Is this closed loop or open loop?  If closed loop the "rules" require the machine to stay shutdown until the "issue" is identified.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 15, 2025 at 8:04 AM Tyrone Houck via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-<wbr>wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="auto"><div>That's my understanding as well. Sure would be cool if there was an automatic reconnect mode that could be set. </div><div><br></div><div><br>    </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 15, 2025, 7:56 AM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-<wbr>wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="auto"><div>With this new breed of AIO inverters, when the battery reaches low voltage disconnect, do they all need manual intervention to restart inverting?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I'm having an issue with a Midnite AIO with a stack of Pytes batteries that reset themselves for a yet undiagnosed reason. The DC Battery voltage goes to zero on the inverter for a moment, and then returns. The problem is, it requires manual intervention to push the button to turn the inverter back on. It does not happen automatically. That's not good for an unmanned remote site. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Jason Szumlanski</div><div dir="auto">Florida Solar Design Group </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><b><div style="text-align: center;"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-weight: 400; text-align: start; font-family: "helvetica neue", helvetica, arial, sans-serif;"><tbody></tbody></table></div></b></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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