<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">SOC comes from the battery. I don’t know if you have multiple batteries does the AIO go with the lowest SOC or average?</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I digress. </div><div dir="ltr">Everyone who’s used a trimetric or similar has seen this. The % meter gets off in its measurement of SOC and it gets worse the longer it goes before the battery gets full to reset the SOC. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Lithium are exactly the same. The Bms/SOC is only as good as how often it’s recalibrated by getting full. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">And it’s why some lithium/nverter OEMS for off grid say going with volts is more accurate than %. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">What happened in this case was the SOC/BMS got off in its calibration and the inverter is not smart enough to be able to use the 2 forms of metering ( volts/soc) to figure its actual SOC and so the battery shut down because it got to its LVD voltage. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">It’s another glaring issue/problem with using just SOC. As SOC is subject to the exact issues we’ve seen for 30 yrs and when the old lead battereis got old and weird or many days or more between getting full, what did we tell clients, use volts because the SOC isn’t working properly anymore. </div><div dir="ltr">The inverter should be smart enough to be able to use both volts and SOC. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Most battery companies tell me batteries should be charged to 100% weekly. It’s not for the cells it’s for SOC accuracy. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Jay</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jul 15, 2025, at 7:23 PM, Kirk Herander via RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Generally speaking, with these respective AIO inverters, where is the supposed SOC being calculated from and how often is that source manually or auto calibrated?<div><br></div><div>I only have experience in AIOs with Fortress inverters and their evault batteries. I had a situation where the house went dark when closed-loop SOC read 35%.</div><div><br></div><div>Some may remember from this forum, Fortress confirmed battery volts had to go above 55v to auto recalibrate. It was a Vermont mid-winter and the customer never turned on the genny because he thought the bats were safely at 35%., Actually they were close to 0% due to the lack of winter recalibration.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 15, 2025 at 8:56 PM Lou Russo via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>We definitely experience that. Mostly with Sol-Ark and Homegrid. Generator even starts but it is not quick enough to do anything. Have the client power cycle and everything is fine. Had this happen last week, batteries were at 79%. <br clear="all"></div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Aloha,<div>Lou Russo </div><div>Spree Solar Systems LLC </div><div>C-34322</div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 15, 2025 at 1:44 PM Howie Michaelson via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">These are useful suggestions for how to deal with low battery conditions, however I understand Jason's situation to be a hardware or firmware issue - the inverter temporarily reads battery voltage or SOC as 0% and shuts off, needing manual intervention to turn back on. I'm not sure if i am having the same issue on at least a couple of sites with an AIO and 1 or 2 PF16s in closed loop, by I've seen the inverters without warning seemingly loose the batteries (which are in a relatively high SOC - 70-80%), see no SOC, then shut itself off. So far the client has gotten the inverter back to on by shutting it down entirely and restarting it. It fires back up and operates fine as though nothing has happened. Anyone else experiencing that? <div dir="auto">Howie</div><div dir="auto">Sun Catcher </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 15, 2025, 6:43 PM William Miller via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Friends:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Could one set the inverter LBCO slightly above the battery LBCO? The inverter is controlling the shut down and the battery does not go into alarm. <br clear="all"><br clear="all"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><br>William Miller<br>Miller Solar.com<br>805-438-5600<br><a href="http://www.millersolar.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.millersolar.com</a><br></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 15, 2025 at 2:26 PM Jay via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">I can’t agree more that auto restart is a requirement. </div><div dir="ltr">A well designed system that has the inverter shut off( shut down or not sure what the correct term is) due to low battery should restart in the morning. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Now I could easily see that it will have to get to some X amount of SOC or volts or watts of input before it connects the AC loads. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Jay</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jul 15, 2025, at 3:21 PM, Chris Schaefer via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Mr. Bryce,<div><br></div><div>As offgrid is our biggest piece of the pie, I too would like to have the AIO power back up when voltage is at an acceptable level just as our OB's, Magnum's and Xantrex's have been for years. My hope is that in the very near future a firmware upgrade would make this a selectable feature.<div><br></div><div>Much appreciated,</div><div>Christopher</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 15, 2025 at 4:35 PM William Bryce via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Is this closed loop or open loop? If closed loop the "rules" require the machine to stay shutdown until the "issue" is identified.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 15, 2025 at 8:04 AM Tyrone Houck via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>That's my understanding as well. Sure would be cool if there was an automatic reconnect mode that could be set. </div><div><br></div><div><br> </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 15, 2025, 7:56 AM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>With this new breed of AIO inverters, when the battery reaches low voltage disconnect, do they all need manual intervention to restart inverting?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I'm having an issue with a Midnite AIO with a stack of Pytes batteries that reset themselves for a yet undiagnosed reason. The DC Battery voltage goes to zero on the inverter for a moment, and then returns. The problem is, it requires manual intervention to push the button to turn the inverter back on. It does not happen automatically. That's not good for an unmanned remote site. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Jason Szumlanski</div><div dir="auto">Florida Solar Design Group </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><b><div style="text-align:center"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-weight:400;text-align:start;font-family:"helvetica neue",helvetica,arial,sans-serif"><tbody></tbody></table></div></b></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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