<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">That is interesting. What happens if someone starts the generator manually and manually engages the transfer switch to the generator position? Will the inverter still detect it as a generator, or will that only happen if the 2-wire start is being called for?</div></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><br>Jason Szumlanski<div><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design Group</span><br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">NABCEP Certified Solar Professional (PVIP)</span><br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Florida State Certified Solar Contractor CVC56956</span></div><div><font color="#333333" face="Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Florida Certified Electrical Contractor EC13013208</font></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 7, 2025 at 4:07 PM Poole, Jharen via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-5971354048754724763">




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For a setup such as this, it is recommended that the generator is started using the inverter’s 2-wire start function rather than a manual startup. We also want to make sure that the grid signal, gen signal, and gen connected to grid input settings are enabled
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If you're using a typical residential generator with the recommended startup configuration, and the generator is called upon, the inverter will display a generator icon on the screen once it detects generator power (on the latest firmware). Although the “grid
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<b>From:</b> RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> on behalf of Jay via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Jay <<a href="mailto:jay.peltz@gmail.com" target="_blank">jay.peltz@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Sol-Ark 15K Gen on Grid Terminal (with GTBB)</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">That might be their recommendation, but it doesn't stop someone from manually starting the generator when the utility is down. Their wiring diagram leave a lot to be desired in terms of how program the system in this configuration.</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">Even if they strongly recommend that in webinars, it still isn't clear to me if Grid Sell is automatically disabled when the 2-wire start relay is closed. Honestly, I wouldn't trust the answer from a random tech support agent, especially
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<div style="direction:ltr">This is just another example of poorly documented and ambiguous operational control that plagues all of the all-in-one inverters.</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">On Thu, Jul 3, 2025, 4:14 PM Lloyd Hoffstatter <<a href="mailto:lloyd@sunstruckconsulting.com" id="m_-5971354048754724763OWA98ecc6f3-506d-5110-6062-5391f5ea91f6" target="_blank">lloyd@sunstruckconsulting.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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Sol-Ark strongly recommends only using a line side generator under inverter 2 wire control and with AC coupled inverters off, per several webinars. </div>
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<b>From:</b> RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" id="m_-5971354048754724763OWA002b8f87-5196-04b8-bdf8-a8008740f784" target="_blank">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> on behalf of Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" id="m_-5971354048754724763OWAff2d2a8c-4670-2161-6f49-f88e96840cdd" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Sol-Ark 15K Gen on Grid Terminal (with GTBB)</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">On Thu, Jul 3, 2025 at 8:42 AM Jay via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" id="m_-5971354048754724763OWA023f87fa-d619-1485-50ce-2d9547a738a5" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">The attached wiring diagram from the manual shows both a generator and grid connected to the Sol-Ark Grid input with a transfer switch to select between grid and generator. </div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">Question: If you program the inverter for GEN on Grid Input and allow Grid Sell, how would the inverter know what the input source is and prevent selling to the generator inadvertently?</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">I suppose if it is an automatic transfer switch and the two wire start is called for, the inverter might stop grid selling when calling for the generator (but I'm not sure if that's the case). In any case, that's not a failsafe
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<div style="direction:ltr">I have someone insisting that Sol-Ark supports this configuration with Grid Sell enabled. I can't imagine that is the case. At a minimum, it would be bad practice. </div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">In my opinion, the interface should disallow Grid Sell altogether when GEN on Grid Input is selected. Maybe it's already doing that internally, but it isn't clear at all from the interface or the manual. </div>
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