<div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 19, 2025 at 3:10 PM James Jarvis via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto"><div>In Minnesota we are essentially limited to 40 kW of grid tied net metered solar. But there is no limit on non-grid connected. So if I had mini splits that were directly solar powered that would reduce my electricity consumption so I could sell it instead of use it.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In my case with my ICF construction house that weighs a million pounds the PV direct air conditioning would be great because all we need to do is keep the average interior temperature low and the house has enough thermal mass too balance things out.</div><div><br></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">thank you,<br><br>-James Jefferson Jarvis <br>APRS World, LLC<br>+1-507-454-2727<br><br>(apologies for the brevity and spelling...from my phone)</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 19, 2025, 2:02 PM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I can see the redundancy reason. There does not seem to be an economic reason to do this, especially if you are on-grid or already have a suitably sized off-grid or backup system. Just use a regular mini-split seems more logical.</div><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><br>Jason Szumlanski<div><span style="font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design Group</span><br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(51,51,51)">NABCEP Certified Solar Professional (PVIP)</span><br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Florida State Certified Solar Contractor CVC56956</span></div><div><font face="Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Florida Certified Electrical Contractor EC13013208</font></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 19, 2025 at 2:35 PM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif">
<p style="font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif">The EG4 is not a bad split. Reason my client wanted it was a redundant cooling back-up if his battery/inverter/solar went down.</p>
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