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<p>I agree Michael, my call backs and free trips are way up with Li
batteries and AIO. I just don't know what the system is doing or
what to expect from the settings. Dark Start has now become a
normal thing. My blood pressure is off the charts trying to talk
to tech support with one bar of cell service. I have a DC power
supply and inverter to restart the batts. I now own a PC laptop
that's sole purpose is firmware updates.<br>
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<p>Guess what? Lead acid almost never needed a trip out to restart.
The sun comes out, and it starts recharging. Lead acid is SELF
HEALING. I just can't get LVD settings that keep Li bats out of
dark start territory. All is fine until its not. Here's some
experiences:<br>
</p>
<p>1) A Fortress firmware glitch that shut the whole system down
when it reached 100% SOC. <br>
Result: rotten food in both freezers, customer confidence: they
sold the property. <br>
Solution: upgrade Fortress Firmware. <br>
</p>
<p>2) Simpliphi and XW system works fine for 5 years, then a low
battery issue during bad weather causes all 4 Simpliphi batteries
to fry. <br>
Result: customer is on generator full time for 2 months. <br>
Solution: finally get replacement batteries and replace XW
inverter with Magnum. <br>
</p>
<p>3) Homegrid batteries go into dark mode after solar shuts off for
a couple of days. No battery voltage to turn on charge controller
again. Result: 3 trips out to restart batteries, and hang out for
hours to make sure the inverter will reconnect, and stay
connected. <br>
Solution: still not sure, I raised the LVD and reconnect voltages,
but the battery's no load draw from the BMS seems to be very
significant. <br>
</p>
<p>4) Midnite AIO won't connect to phone app, which is the only way
to program it. I turn on the inverter, and it just bricks. <br>
Result: It can't function out of the box without being setup with
the phone app that doesn't always work. <br>
Solution: after 2-1/2 hours on a bad connection with Tech support,
we finally get the inverter to reset and start working properly.
I had to delete and reload the phone app 5 times before it would
finally connect to the inverter. What's going to happen when you
come back in 5 years with a different phone?<br>
</p>
<p>I can share more with other companies I've tried including Rubix,
and Blue Planet. The only Li battery I've not had trouble with
was LiFe Blue (thanks Larry), but they're only for 12v systems.
I am still installing lead acid for many of my customers, because
we know what to expect. A lesser evil is better than the unknown
that can be much worse. Retirement can't come too soon. <br>
</p>
<p>Ray Walters<br>
Remote Solar<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/11/2025 9:47 AM, Michael
Morningstar via RE-wrenches wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I wonder where all this is going? A plethora of
Chinese ( I understand virtually everything electronic is
manufactured there) AIOs and batteries, each with their own
communication protocols, programing parameters, and individual
peculiarities. I say this with all modesty and humility, that
until a few years ago, it was a rare troubleshooting situation
that I needed guidance from tech support for most anything. Now
the extent of my prowess has been reduced to: "power cycle" it
and if that doesn't work call tech support, and then be prepared
for a frustrating, protracted, and costly in terms of my time,
experience.
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<div>I also wonder if it's sort of a "race to the bottom"
(thanks for that one Bob-O) as far a quality goes. Discover
discontinued it's AES battery which I think was the pinnacle,
and replaced it with the Helios (which I have high hopes for).
I'm hoping it's not a clone of all the others that are similar
and I understand that the AES simply couldn't compete. </div>
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<div>Just my mind dump sans edit</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, May 11, 2025 at
8:17 AM Jay <<a href="mailto:jay.peltz@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jay.peltz@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">Fortress and eg4 both use the same basic LUX
made inverters. </div>
<div dir="ltr">Sol ark is made by DEYE. </div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On May 11, 2025, at 8:04 AM,
Michael Morningstar via RE-wrenches <<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">How does the Lux, Envy, and Sol-Ark
compare to Midnite's AIO? I was all on board the
Midnite train but I'm coming to the conclusion that
they released it prematurely. Glitchy and Quirky. </div>
<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, May 11, 2025
at 7:40 AM Jay via RE-wrenches <<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">One of the things I like about the
LUX is that you can do programming with the
built in display. </div>
<div dir="ltr">The online monitoring is good as
Maverick says. </div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">I also think it’s way more accurate
as well. </div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">The LUX 12kw is a solid unit. </div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Jay</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On May 11, 2025, at
7:35 AM, Maverick Brown via RE-wrenches <<a
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wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">William,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I have both the ENVY and Radian (and XW
at my own home).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The ENVY online experience is great. It
may have replaced the Sol-Ark online
monitoring as my favorite. (I have installed
about 20 Sol-Arks and they also have tons of
data and a great overall online experience).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The data collected by ENVY is far greater
than OpticsRE, many more parameters are
saved. ENVY also has a working smart phone
App that shows more data than the now
offline / defunct OpticsRE app.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>OpticsRE does log enough data to
understand that the system is functioning,
but the additional AC data and way the
information is presented gives ENVY far
superior results. I do lean more towards the
way OpticsRE allows editing parameters on
the Devices section. That’s likely because I
am more familiar with the terminology. But,
The ENVY Inverter has a built in display /
touch screen that allows you to edit all of
the values and make the system work without
any internet / wireless / bluetooth
connection. That is a great fall back. I am
used to the MATE3s, but new customers have a
crazy time with learning how it works and
where values are able to be changed. The
ENVY App bridges that gap! </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Now the dream part is that since Outback
is now owned by the same people that also
sell the EG4 18kPV (which is also made by
Luxpower just like the ENVY), the best of
both worlds could come about == more data
collected and an available and a solid smart
phone app for customers that want such a
thing.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The screenshot of the app is straight
forward and the tabs at the bottom show
charts, alarms and settings.</div>
<div>The screenshot for desktop is very
detailed and you can scroll down on the
first page and get 3-4 screenfuls of data
for just about anything you want to know.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Let me know if you have a specific
question, I can give you a comparison.</div>
<div><br>
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Brown<br>
Off-Grid Solar Commander since 2006<br>
<b>Maverick Solar Enterprises, Inc.</b></div>
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<div>On May 10, 2025, at 9:58 PM,
William Miller via RE-wrenches <<a
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<div dir="auto">Bought a VFXR3648 and
two FXR3048s recently. They actually
worked! Miracle. <br clear="all">
<br>
The client for which I am suggesting
an Envy 12 instead of new FM100s is
really attached to Optics. Now that
Optics is unreliable it is easier to
suggest an alternative. </div>
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<div dir="auto">I’d like to hear about
the Envy on-line interface. Is it
ok?<br>
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class="gmail_signature">William
Miller<br>
Miller Solar.com<br>
805-438-5600<br>
<a
href="http://www.millersolar.com/" target="_blank"
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Sat, May 10, 2025 at 12:23 PM
Jay via RE-wrenches <<a
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<div dir="ltr">As a follow
up. </div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Has anyone
purchased a new OB inverter
or CC or mate. </div>
<div dir="ltr">I mean
specifically remote new
outback company. </div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Jay</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
<blockquote type="cite">On
May 10, 2025, at 11:19 AM,
Todd Cory via RE-wrenches
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style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:georgia;font-size:14pt">Well,
Outback's Optics RE is
down yet again, also
the back up site too
and also the users
forum... which had a
massive database of
current and past
problem solving
archives. <br>
<br>
What a clusterfuck
this new company is.<br>
<br>
Wise wrenches should
beware of patronizing
this obvious sinking
ship.<br>
<br>
Todd<br>
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