<div dir="ltr">Everyone needs to look at the whole system. The issue is when you have "Installers" and then also have DIY.<div>DIY can eat up Hours and Hours of support time. This time is not free and takes away from supporting customers who purchase more than one time (Installers).</div><div>(Grid tie "installers" can also eat up large amounts of time trying to understand batteries, and complicated inverters hung on walls instead of not being attached to the back of solar panels)</div><div><br></div><div>From an installer standpoint it seems "Simple" but in the real world it is not.</div><div><br></div><div>That is why you see support for the distribution channels, and support from the importer or manufacturer.</div><div><br></div><div>The other solution is to do like Schnider did and lock it all down (like that worked so well) or like SolArk does and restrict the level of support, and that can still take days to wade through if you have an issue.</div><div><br></div><div>Manufacturers sell at a steep discount to Distribution, and part of the discount is to supply some level of support for its customers. Otherwise the manufacturer might as well sell direct. But, that is another story of its own.</div><div><br></div><div>Just my 2 cents.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 9:45 AM Maverick Brown via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Jason<div><br></div><div>I agree with you. It is strange and dumb to track down a secret handshake through the distribution to get access to the manufacturer’s monitoring service. The distributor did know I ordered but didn’t send a preemptive welcome message. That’s on me, of course. </div><div><br></div><div>I installed an EG4 18Kpv and I had to call Current Connected to get the secret password of CurrentConnected. Haha!</div><div><br></div><div>Fortress Power did this right and printed in the manual “use code provided by the distributor or just use ‘Fortress’ as the code. Great, I didn’t have to call anyone! </div><div><br></div><div>I have to track down the same for MidNite AIO as well or some other similar account setup thing. </div><div><br></div><div>I’m trying to consolidate what I install and recommend (and therefore have to manage). So far: Fortress Envy and MidNite AIO are the way to go.</div><div><br></div><div><br id="m_-8647752314565598151lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr">Thank you,<div><br></div><div>Maverick</div><div><div id="m_-8647752314565598151AppleMailSignature" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px"><div><br></div><div>Maverick Brown<br>Off-Grid Solar Commander since 2006<br>Maverick Solar Enterprises, Inc.<br> • Solar Commander Remote Power<br> • SunFlow Systems Cathodic Protection <br><a href="mailto:maverick@mavericksolar.com" target="_blank">maverick@mavericksolar.com</a><br>512-460-9825</div><div><br></div></div></div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Apr 22, 2025, at 7:00 AM, Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">I'm trying to get my head wrapped around distributors providing technical support services for manufacturers. I first noticed it with Signature Solar and others providing support for EG4. I thought it was strange that I needed to go through the distributor to establish an installer monitoring account for EG4. I just found out that the same thing applies to Midnite AIO. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What makes it even more confusing is that you can get support from both the distributor and the manufacturer. And sometimes you get different answers. I have experienced this with battery integration questions. I think the manufacturer wants to claim maximum compatibility while the distributor may have a more realistic and practical understanding. In that respect, hearing it from a distributor, AKA salesperson, seems like a good idea. But when you are looking for raw technical information, it seems reasonable to go directly to the manufacturer.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Admittedly, there has always been a little bit of overlap, but mostly it was technical advice geared toward the system design and component compatibility that you would receive from the distributor. When it came to technical support, fault resolution, and monitoring issues, the manufacturer was always the primary source. That seems to be changing in some cases. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It seems like there is some end user risk here for both installers and system owners.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What if you purchase products from multiple vendors? Do you need multiple installer monitoring accounts? How would a distributor know if they supplied a product for which you are seeking support? It would be hard enough keeping track myself. And what happens if that distributor goes out of business?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Fun times...</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Jason Szumlanski </div><div dir="auto">Florida Solar Design Group </div></div>
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