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--></style></head><body lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Wally, Todd:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I have been pondering this discussion since it first appeared. My conclusion is that you both have valid points to make:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-family:Symbol;color:#1f497d"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">There are forces at work to make it harder for people to generate their own power and take revenue away from established corporations. Large utilities did not initiate net metering, they were forced to do so by legislation and I am sure they would like to go back to being the only energy producers in their service area.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-family:Symbol;color:#1f497d"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Not every new hurdle we face is a product of these forces. Some are driven by legitimate safety concerns.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">If we lump these two points together and don’t offer reasoned, evidence-supported claims to our arguments, we can look like conspiracy theorists.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The solution, in my humble opinion, is to look carefully and dispassionately at the problems we face, back our conclusions with facts, and communicate our concerns clearly and effectively to the public, to our customers and to legislators and decision makers.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">If there is a legitimate safety concern, we need to ask ourselves: Are the proposed solutions realistic? If the solutions are draconian, unreasonably difficult or ineffective, then we are not resolving the safety issue. This does not always mean dark forces are conspiring against us. It may be that we need to rethink a given solution.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The original discussion was about RSS. My view has been changed by the discussion. I have limited experience with RSS systems that are not part of an optimizer or micro-inverter system. I have been fortunate that none of my RSDs have burst into flames, but there is credible evidence this has happened. We have seen first-hand testimony that fire responders have not been adequately trained to activate RSS, making it useless.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I disagree with the need to put RSS on ground mounted arrays. They are required if the feeder enters a building that has any use other than to house solar power equipment. If you provide an external disconnect, requiring RSS seems totally unnecessary.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Furthermore, UL3741 has me really scratching my head. The original RSS requirements specified any voltage above 30 as being hazardous. Then it became 80 volts. Now with UL3741, up to 160 volts is safe? I am reading an <a href="https://www.mayfield.energy/technical-articles/ul3741/">article</a> that says 1,000 VDC may be allowed.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">It seems we have a huge credibility problem here. There is no consensus on what voltages are unsafe and we have safety equipment not up to the task. This credibility problem looks like a conspiracy but it be more accurate to call it a competency issue. The regulators have been quick to mandate without a clear understanding of the safety thresholds and manufacturers have been quick to fill a market gap with inadequate products.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">It is a shame Ms. Hren did not respond to my questions about how this all came about. I don’t mean to put her on the spot but she offered her credentials as a member of the code making panel.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Getting back to my main point, it is frustrating navigating the complicated regulatory and technical landscape that PV contracting has become. If we want to advocate for ourselves, we need to communicate clearly and calmly supported by facts. Labeling the problems as a conspiracy won’t win any arguments.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Sincerely,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">William Miller</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Miller Solar</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">805-438-5600</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="http://www.millersolar.com/"><span style="color:blue">www.millersolar.com</span></a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">CA Lic. 773985</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> RE-wrenches [mailto:<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Wallace Stahle via RE-wrenches<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 19, 2025 10:12 AM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br><b>Cc:</b> Wallace Stahle<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] No Mistake Conspiricy?</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">So Todd,</p><div><p class="MsoNormal">What part of the idea or premise that an industry which produces, distributes and sells electric energy to end users at great profit, in PG&E's case at least, desires to exclude self generators from their grid and plans, lobbies and in fact conspires with other industry stakeholders to tilt the ground rules in their favor by way of the CA PUC is ”IDIOTIC”?</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">To think an investor owned utility selling energy to end users is not working to limit those same end users from benefiting from self generation is naive at least. Or even idiotic maybe.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Can you further define what part of this idea is idiotic vs rational on the utilities part to limit self generation?</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I understand this topic is not specific to wrenching and may not belong on this list but given that getting interconnection agreements seems to be critical to the list it may be a topic worth considering.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Respectfully</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">Wallace Stahle</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">Future Electric Energy Co</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">PO Box 236</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">Willits, CA 95490</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">707-459-0474</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">Lic.#C10-762093</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt"><a href="mailto:future@pacific.net">future@pacific.net</a></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt"> </span></p></div><div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Feb 18, 2025, at 9:38 AM, Todd Cory via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:</p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><strong><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Can we please keep these idiotic conspiracy theories off this list.</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""><br><br></span><strong><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Thank you...</span></strong><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""><br><br><br></span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""><br><br></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"">On Tuesday, February 18, 2025 7:13am, "Drake Chamberlin via RE-wrenches" <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> said:</span></p></div><div id="SafeStyles1739900188"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.5pt"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">Hi David,</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Courier New""><br><br></span><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">RSS is no mistake. The War on Solar is real. Due to a recent computer crash, I am having problems finding my links documenting the intentional attack on PV from the Koch Brothers and the utility industry in general. I will check on another computer that may still have the information. It is at a different location.</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Courier New""><br><br></span><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">I went on the Wrench list with my concerns when this was first proposed, until I was told to stop. Individual homeowner solar is viewed as a big problem for utility profits. There are other ways to safeguard firefighters. </span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Courier New""></span></p><div id="signature"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">-- </span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Courier New""></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">Cheers,</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Courier New""></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Courier New""> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">Drake </span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Courier New""></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Courier New""> </span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><em><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Drake Chamberlin</span></em><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><em><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Athens Electric LLC</span></em><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><em><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Ohio Electrical Contractor’s License 44810</span></em><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><em><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"">NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional</span></em><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br><br>Pay optional member dues here: <a href="http://re-wrenches.org">http://re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>Change listserver email address & settings:<br><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>There are two list archives for searching. 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