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I have a standing seam Corten roof (no exterior screws) of many lengths, longest is 49’.
<div>When the roof transitions from shaded to sunny the roof “talks” , same when the roof goes from full sun to shaded esp in winter (cold ) there is more sound.</div>
<div>It’s not loud & we have 6-8” of spray foam so the sound is minor it just let’s us know the sky has clouds & sun.<br>
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<p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> I would investigate the roof ! The only thing that should be on an offgrid dwelling is snow, rain, or bird doo!</span></p>
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<p>I have heard this too, no solar involved. Chris</p>
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<p dir="ltr">Screw down metal roofs are notorious for expansion/contraction issues...especially over long horizontal spans. It's possible that the array is actually fixing that section in place better than the rest of the roof(while simultaneously keeping that
part of the roof cooler) . I would investigate the roof area adjacent to the array as it's likely to be heating up much faster than the area shaded by the array. Could be the sound of screws popping..</p>
<p dir="ltr">Best of luck!</p>
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<div><span class="v1gmail_default" style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">They report that it is definitely coming from the roof and from opposite ends of the array. It's pretty random, but only earlier in the day and later in the day, which suggests
the array and roof are heating and cooling. I don't believe it is electrical.</span></div>
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<div><span class="v1gmail_default" style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">But it is interesting that you mention siding. Just before we installed solar panels, they had their house re-sided with hardy board siding. I suggested that maybe it was coming
from the siding on the gable ends, but of course, they insisted that it only started when the solar panels were installed. I did find a piece of siding that was pressed up tight against a drip edge, and I found that to be a possible source. Without being there
on the roof as it happens, it's hard to diagnose. They are reporting 1-2 dozen pops a day that they can hear clearly. I don't doubt that, but I question whether it is directly related to the solar panel installation.</span></div>
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<div><span class="v1gmail_default" style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">For more context, they also reported something that sounded like banging in high winds, like a solar panel was loose. All of the panels were later found to be completely secure.
I found a piece of aluminum soffit cover that was loose and could have been flopping around, but again, it's hard to tell when you are not there.</span></div>
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<div><span class="v1gmail_default" style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">They are wrapping themselves all around the axle, probably thinking that we did something wrong. They even called S-5 behind our backs to see if the manufacturer could throw
us under the bus. That turned out to be a fun discussion because S-5 suggested the them that adding more seam clamps might help. Of course, SolarFoot is not a seam clamp at all, which further confused the owner.</span></div>
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<div>You mentioning popping sounds reminds me of two separate systems that I was called in to service recently where the homeowner was reporting popping sounds. These were coming from the ground, not the roof, so it may not apply. Both systems were roughly
10 years old, and the original installer used PVC conduit off the roof. Water had been getting into the conduit and running down to the combiner (Enphase system). Things were quite corroded in the combiner panels and the sounds were coming from a failing breaker.
It sounds like your system is newer, but maybe there is a bad breaker? In one case the customer was certain the noise was coming from the meter, but upon inspection I am nearly certain it was the combiner instead. These were more of an "electronic" popping
noise though. If your popping noise is more structural have the customer listen out to see if it happens right when the sun comes out from a cloud, or goes behind a cloud. With vinyl siding or metal roofs, I'll sometimes hear the expansion and contraction
but it has to be a very quick change in temperature and I only hear it on those quick transitions from sun to clouds.</div>
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<div>Good luck tracking it down!</div>
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<div dir="auto">I had a person contact me years ago who said her solar installer put a system up that caused popping noises everyday on her roof. It was a shingle roof, older home, and ultimately we chalked it up to expansion and contraction. Everything was
secure and there were no indications of structural, cosmetic, or waterproof integrity being jeopardized.
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<div dir="auto">That was my only experience with this issue until we did a recent installation on a 5V exposed fastener metal roof using S-5 SolarFoot mounts attached through the metal into the plywood decking only. This new client is reporting numerous loud
popping sounds every day. Based on the time of day and weather, it must have something to do with expansion and contraction, but we cannot pinpoint the problem. Of course, the day we go to try to duplicate the issue, there were no sounds at all that we could
detect up on the roof after waiting hours in observation. </div>
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<div dir="auto">We did have one row of 13 panels mounted in portrait that was on the longer side, so we decided to split the rail by putting a gap in the middle. That, apparently, has not solved the issue. </div>
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<div dir="auto">We have checked the torque on every single fastener in the system. This installation is no different than many many others we have done using the same materials on the same roof type. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Has anybody experienced similar issues, and how did you go about addressing them? </div>
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