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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sounds like an interesting market.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">A transfer switch is probably more expensive than two Tesla vehicle chargers, one for each system. He just needs to remember which one to plug into and you just need to sell
at least 4 PW3s, a couple gateways and you’re in business….<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 18, 2025 5:05 PM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Jason Szumlanski <jason@floridasolardesigngroup.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Inverter ratings exceeding 25kw fir battery backup<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmaildefault"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Not bragging, but many of my clients in this situation are billionaires or at least some sizable fraction of that. Naples is a pretty interesting place. They are usually
not willing to compromise. On the three barrier islands where I do off-grid work, it always starts off as a few mini-splits and then it ends up being a few mini-splits and a 5-ton central. And then they install an electric hot tub unbeknownst to me. And then
there are three electric golf carts that show up. And how can you enjoy the beach with 30 of your favorite friends without a large ice maker (on top of the undercabinet unit at the outdoor wetbar)? It never ends.</span></span><br clear="all">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmaildefault"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">For on-grid homes with common 400A service (dual 200A panels) we focus on backing up one panel while installing enough PV to cover the total annual household usage,
which is usually the request we get. They would love to back up both panels, but when confronted with the space requirements and battery capacity limitations imposed by NFPA 855, the conversation usually goes my way. As for the PV portion, we always hear that
if they can't cover 100%, they don't see the point in doing it. That's why you end up with giant PV arrays with battery capacities more typical of a modest home.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmaildefault"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I just spent an hour explaining to a customer with an existing 25kW Enphase system why he can't back up two 200A panels with Tesla Powerwall 3's (without serious drawbacks
associated with splitting the PV and battery). He was also under the impression that he could use Powershare from his Cybertruck to back up both 200A panels simultaneously, or at least switch easily between them (I actually toyed with the idea of a transfer
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmaildefault"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">These clients don't hear NO often. On the other hand, they are usually very smart and ask good questions. Most of them didn't get rich by accident.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Still Jason it seems very crazy! When I do energy for a home in your neck, usually offgrid, we use mini-splits and in a large home<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">like you are referring with the grid, the same thing, use a split for a zone, like the kitchen and save all that wasted battery capacity backing up the whole home. They may be a bit uncomfortable
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">or longer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The strategy of not backing up it all does require the people to be reasonable and trainable. Very few central air systems are useable without spending 10's of thousands more. I think none
unless the owner has more money than brains. Good for the economy I guess but all that lithium has to go to the dump someday. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Alot of my calls are for systems that the installer has long gone out of business. The owner is clueless because they never had<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">a clue about their power system. No Bueno for sure! Stay Safe !<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Haha, we would not have the pool heater on a backup system, but many times people want a partial home backup system with whole home annual grid offset. </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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it is technically possible to heat the pool off-grid in the winter because the house load is otherwise a fraction of what it is in the summer months. In the winter, we sometimes see batteries full by 9:00 am and a lot of wasted solar energy.</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<pre><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Sure I get how important it is to electrically heat a pool in a power outage. </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">😉</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre><strong><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">"we go where powerlines don't"<o:p></o:p></span></strong></pre>
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require more. Florida Power & Light allows up to 50kW on 120/240V split phase service, but only if expected production does not exceed an estimated 115% of historical annual usage.</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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below the 25kw residential limit, net metering applications are being rejected based on the inverter rating.. The inverter rating in these cases is sized to handle the customer's existing loads and will never export more than the 25kw limit dictated by Oregon
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