<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I had a site (not my install) with a ground rack and these </span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">TS4-F</span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">units, and they exhibited the exact same burn characteristics. At least half of them were burned up to some degree.</span></span><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><br>Jason Szumlanski<div><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design Group</span><br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">NABCEP Certified Solar Professional (PVIP)</span><br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Florida State Certified Solar Contractor CVC56956</span></div><div><font color="#333333" face="Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Florida Certified Electrical Contractor EC13013208</font></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 14, 2025 at 2:11 PM David Buckner via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-1444847845714941021">
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Yes, it's the TS4-F units. We have made every effort to install to the specs provided (as the goal post and solutions keep changing) but have still seen RSD's start to swell and/or burn over time. We've separated DC wires and home runs and stayed within the
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It's all field R&D at our expense in my opinion. Sadly, I'd be happy if the RSD failed and didn't work but it starts to work in overdrive until it burns up and causes an arc. These photos below are from a site where we got lucky and the fire didn't spread.
Below the photos is a link to a video of Tigo and Mayfield discussing the crosstalk issue. </div>
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Here is a video discussion of the cross-talk and signal corruption issues that are the supposed cause of the unit's failure's:
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<div>Can you elaborate on which products of theirs failed catastrophically? Their TS4-F single and double units by chance? My experience has been an annoying occurrence where certain installed units lock up requring replacement after the array is shut down
for O&M tasks but nothing that starts burning as you mentioned. I've still got a reasonable amount of them in my inventory but would rather not deploy if they're "burning" in some way.</div>
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<div><i>We've had catastrophic failures with the RSDs and have heard from plenty of others that have had the same. The company denies and deflects and blames the installer until you are fatigued. A product that uses power line communication that can start
burning when the signal gets corrupted should not be allowed to remain on the market.</i></div>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I do not have a lot of experience with Tigo equipment, almost all using their optimizers with CCAs and TAPs. The 2 things I can say is after getting my head wrapped around the setup and commissioning process (which
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<div>I haven't tried their micro inverter or ESS, but so far all the products that I've used from Tigo including the RSD switches that melted have been problematic. Personally, I wouldn't use their products. </div>
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<div>I am curious if anyone has any experience with the Tigo inverter and energy storage system. It looks very similar to the SMA setup, but maybe a bit farther along in development. Even as just a simple string inverter, it seems fairly reasonably priced.</div>
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