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    <p>I would also add that the Generac ATS is not made for this
      application, it is made to work with their generators only.  It
      connects to the generator control board for its voltage sensing,
      etc.  It can be "hot wired" to work with solar, but I had to add a
      small battery ( for 12 v power) and a small charger to make it
      work, and meanwhile Generac is NOT helpful for installers outside
      their network.  I couldn't even get good info on what the
      different terminals of the ATS control did.  <br>
    </p>
    <p>2nd, I agree with William that AIO inverters are not ready for
      off grid applications, because of the numerous "safety" features
      that take out the entire house with any fault.  I think if I did
      use one for off grid, I'd probably put the array on its own
      separate charge controller.  AIO is yet another product that seems
      at first like a good idea, but in terms of reliability for off
      grid is not.   The touch screen programming of Solark for
      instance, at first seemed like a huge improvement, but when the
      inverter shuts off or does other weird things, then you realize
      that you can't count on it at all.  Too many settings are
      strangely hidden in other menus, that can completely make the
      system not behave like it should.  Just shows you how much wisdom
      folks like Bob Gudgel (RIP) had working on the old Trace stuff. 
      The old SWs mostly did what you expected, and kept us in business
      all these years.  <br>
    </p>
    <p>Solark needs a complete redo on their software/ firmware, to be
      viable for off grid. <br>
    </p>
    <p>I'm about to try Midnite's new AIO for a backup situation, so
      maybe I'll change my mind for their use in off grid
      applications.   <br>
    </p>
    <p>Ray Walters<br>
      Remote Solar<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/14/2025 12:36 PM, William Miller
      via RE-wrenches wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Stuart:</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
            understand the concern and appreciate the consideration to
            provide more reliability.  The approach you suggested sounds
            like a band-aid, not a cure.  </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
            do not know if this complete shutdown is required by the
            listing (a feature) or is just a bug.  Does anyone have
            information on this?  If it is not required, the
            manufacturers should certainly correct these problems.  </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">This
            may be a case against All-in-on inverters.  If there is a PV
            arc fault on systems with separate charge controllers the
            inverter will not curtail operation and it’s pass-through
            capabilities.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">William
            Miller</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Miller
            Solar</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">17395
            Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">805-438-5600</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a
              href="http://www.millersolar.com/" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                style="color:blue">www.millersolar.com</span></a></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">CA
            Lic. 773985</span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
            RE-wrenches [mailto:<a
              href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"
              moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]
            <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stuart Kriendler via RE-wrenches<br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 14, 2025 11:09 AM<br>
            <b>To:</b> <a
              href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"
              moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br>
            <b>Cc:</b> Stuart Kriendler<br>
            <b>Subject:</b> [RE-wrenches] ATS models to bypass GT hybrid
            inverters for maintenance/faults</span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Good day Wrenches,</p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">2025 looks to be the year for
              installing more grid tied (GT) battery back up hybrid
              inverters on new and existing GT PV systems in a whole
              house backup scenario</p>
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          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">i.e. Utility - Hybrid Inverter - House
              Loads</p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">With these newer GT hybrids so
              'sensitive', any fault on the PV side can cause them to
              shut down, thus stopping power to the house. </p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">To minimise this it seems sensible to
              add an ATS to the system such that if/when the hybrid
              faults, the ATS w switch to grid power, bypass the hybrid,
              and power the house.</p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">This could save an emergency truck roll
              or late night phone call for installers.</p>
          </div>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Anyone have experience on good
              value-for-money Listed automatic transfer switches that
              would do the job, 200A, 120/240V?</p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Two name brand options that came up on
              the less expensive end of the spectrum are:</p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#222222">- </span>Generac
              RXSW200A3 (<a
href="https://www.generac.com/residential-products/standby-generator-transfer-switches/automatic/rxsw200a3/"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.generac.com/residential-products/standby-generator-transfer-switches/automatic/rxsw200a3/</a>)</p>
          </div>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">- <b><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos;color:black">Kohler
                  200-amp, Service Entrance RXT ATS |
                  RXT-JFNC-200ASEQS4 (</span></b><a
href="https://www.kohler.com/content/dam/kohler-com-NA/Lifestyle/PDF/PDF-g11152.pdf"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.kohler.com/content/dam/kohler-com-NA/Lifestyle/PDF/PDF-g11152.pdf</a>)</p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">However, they each say their ATSs must
              be used with the corresponding generator.</p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">I would imagine a simple 'grid sense'
              functionality would mean that if the hybrid's output was
              connected to the Grid/Normal lugs and the grid was
              connected to the Gene/Backup lugs in the ATS it should
              work.</p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">However I don't want to end up with an
              expensive surprise in a relatively remote location where I
              operate!</p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Would appreciate any feedback with
              experience with the above or other ATS models or how
              people are future proofing for this scenario?<br>
              To do future maintenance/torque checks etc. in a GT hybrid
              whole home backup situation, it would be nice to bypass
              the inverter and keep the house powered for safety and
              homeowner convenience in general.</p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks and best.</p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Sunniest regards,</p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Stuart</p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">441 599 2105</p>
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