<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Have there been any LFP catastrophic fires that weren’t homemade packs or bicycle packs without quality BMSs?  <div><br></div><div>All the fires I ‘ve heard of are LiPo or LiNMC - not LFP.</div><div><br></div><div>Best </div><div><br></div><div>Jeff</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jan 12, 2025, at 12:55 PM, Jay via RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">You guys are making my point. </div><div dir="ltr">Melting the cases is not a fire. And every melted agm case is due to incorrect charging mechanisms. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">But there have been some cases on this site of catastrophic lithium failures. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I am starting to see people asking about fires and lithium. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">These batteries are in the house. Not my design and not an easy fix to move them. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Thanks again</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Jay </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jan 12, 2025, at 10:52 AM, Tyrone Houck via RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto"><div>I had the exact same thing happen(even down to the crowbar) with the only set of full river 400 6's I've ever installed. I personally lean away from agm though we've had pretty good luck with the Outback and Northstar PLR platform over the year..</div><div><br></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><br>    </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 12, 2025, 9:39 AM Ray Walters via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>

  
    
  
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    <p>The only thermal runaway event I've ever seen, was with AGM in an
      over insulated battery box.  Got so hot that the cases fused to
      each other, and we had to pry the batteries apart with a crow
      bar.  She wants ZERO risk of fire?  She needs to live in a
      concrete bunker with no electricity at all.  Every electrical
      connection, every outlet, every appliance has a risk of fire. 
      Period.</p>
    <p>Ray Walters<br>
      Remote Solar<br>
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    <div>On 1/12/2025 9:39 AM, Tyrone Houck via
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        <div>I hate to be the one to say it but LFP has arguably less
          fire risk than agm. A short circuit in an agm could be
          disastrous and AGM is not necessarily any safer or less prone
          to thermal runaway events than modern LFP. I'd recommend a
          cobalt free LFP like homegrid, simpliphi, or midnite if it
          were me..</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 11, 2025, 3:38 PM
          jay via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>>
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          <div style="line-break:after-white-space">I was going to try
            and steer her towards lithium but she wants zero, absolutely
            zero chance of fire, so no lithium.
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            <div>great batteries though</div>
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            <div>jay<br>
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                    <div>On Jan 11, 2025, at 4:35 PM, MD Electric &
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                        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">30KWH of LFP from
                          discover energy, fits in one enclosure, around
                          $14000.00</div>
                        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Enclosure is
                          indoor/outdoor rated.</div>
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                        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><a href="https://discoverenergysys.com/products/lithium-batteries/aes-rackmount" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://discoverenergysys.com/products/lithium-batteries/aes-rackmount</a></div>
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                          Willam <br>
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                          Thanks for the input.<br>
                          I didn’t know that trojan was sold, and from
                          what you say, yeah scratch them off.  <br>
                          <br>
                          It’s currently at 30kwh.  And thats probably a
                          good size.  <br>
                          As always, cost and time is a factor.  <br>
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                          I’ll check the others out.<br>
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                          jay<br>
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                          <br>
                          > On Jan 11, 2025, at 4:17 PM, William
                          Miller <<a href="mailto:william@millersolar.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">william@millersolar.com</a>>
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                          > <br>
                          > Jay:<br>
                          > <br>
                          > What AH or Kwh level are you looking for?<br>
                          > <br>
                          > Trojan was acquired by another company a
                          few years ago and quality had gone<br>
                          > downhill.<br>
                          > <br>
                          > Rolls is very sensitive to high
                          temperatures.  They will deny a warranty<br>
                          > claim if all of your parameters are not
                          exactly right.<br>
                          > <br>
                          > For larger AH systems:<br>
                          > <br>
                          > I like the Full River DC-400-2.  You
                          might be able to do a one string<br>
                          > installation.<br>
                          > <br>
                          > Unigy II is a great system.  Very
                          robust.  Hard to deliver but I can offer<br>
                          > tips.  Lots of AH size options.<br>
                          > <br>
                          > William<br>
                          > <br>
                          > Miller Solar<br>
                          > 17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422<br>
                          > 805-438-5600<br>
                          > <a href="http://www.millersolar.com/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">www.millersolar.com</a><br>
                          > CA Lic. 773985<br>
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                          > Behalf Of jay via RE-wrenches<br>
                          > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2025 2:48 PM<br>
                          > To: RE-wrenches<br>
                          > Cc: jay<br>
                          > Subject: [RE-wrenches] AGM battery
                          recommendations<br>
                          > <br>
                          > Hi All<br>
                          > <br>
                          > I have a customer what is set on AGM.<br>
                          > <br>
                          > It been so long since I’ve bought any,
                          wondering if there are any<br>
                          > recommendations?<br>
                          > <br>
                          > The ones I’m looking at:<br>
                          > <br>
                          > Rolls  S6-460AGM-RE<br>
                          > <br>
                          > Full river DC-400-6<br>
                          > <br>
                          > Trojan SAES 06 375 6V<br>
                          > <br>
                          > sun Xtender  brand.<br>
                          > <br>
                          > What’s interesting is the trojan has
                          about 3000 cycles vs the others at<br>
                          > around 1250 cycles to 50%.<br>
                          > Im wondering if that is a marketing idea
                          or if its real.<br>
                          > <br>
                          > thanks in advance<br>
                          > <br>
                          > jay<br>
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