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Jay,<br>
I thought it was broken when I first saw it also but its not. I
agree that it is snail trails which are cause from chemical reaction
of the different components with moisture. Generally low grade
module.<br>
<br>
I don't know how many modules have snail trails. The array is 10
rows by 20 columns but in the fifteen I could see four were
affected.<br>
<br>
Thanks Jon<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Jonathan Dixon
Dixon Power Systems
3250 N 20th St Ste 1
Lincoln, NE 68521
402-467-3240
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jon@dixonpowersystems.com">jon@dixonpowersystems.com</a></pre>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/24/2024 5:40 PM, Jay wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">That one cell you have a picture of sure looks
suspicious to me. Especially given the good IR picture. </div>
<div dir="ltr">It looks it’s physically broken, right about where
a hard hat would rest while moving it. </div>
<div dir="ltr">That level of hot spot can’t be good. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">There are two kinds of things that can look sorta
the same. Snail trails I thought were from a kind of
contamination which leaves a trail of micro bubbles. It’s from
the assembly process and I think static factors into it. The
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style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks Bryan,<br>
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I do not know the PV connector types for the
modules or extension cables <br>
we have not started working on it. I need to put
a plan together for the <br>
customer first.<br>
Good to know about the Amphenol H4 issues.<br>
<br>
Thank You<br>
<br>
Jonathan Dixon<br>
Dixon Power Systems<br>
3250 N 20th St Ste 1<br>
Lincoln, NE 68521<br>
402-467-3240<br>
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> Jon,<br>
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> Do you recall which PV connectors were on
the modules and what they used for extension
cables?<br>
><br>
> Around that time, Amphenol H4 connectors
had issues due to the plastic housings failing
and allowing water into the connections.<br>
><br>
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> Bryan Norkunas<br>
><br>
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> Hello All,<br>
><br>
> I have a local utility with a 50Kw array
installed in 2015 consisting of 200 ReneSola
250w modules and 3 SMA Tripower 15000TL-US -10.
They are having Arc fault code on two of the
inverters. This has been going on for a few
years now. It happens a couple times a year
generally after a large rain. They just reset
the code and it comes back to life.<br>
><br>
> They gave me a walk through and we noticed
that a number of modules have snail trails. I
have attached a closeup picture I took and IR
views of affected module and non affected. It
was a 90 deg day when the utility took the IR
pictures.<br>
><br>
> Causes for snail trails that I found:<br>
><br>
> * The difference in chemical
properties of EVA foils and the silver contacts<br>
> * The degradation extent of the EVA
material<br>
> * Water vapor permeability of the
solar panel?s backsheet material<br>
><br>
> I did find that if you have snail trails
you will have micro fractures. I did see some
info that micro fractures could cause arc
faults.<br>
><br>
> Finally my question is can snail trails
cause arc faults also?<br>
><br>
><br>
> Thanks Jon<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Jonathan Dixon<br>
> Dixon Power Systems<br>
> 3250 N 20th St Ste 1<br>
> Lincoln, NE 68521<br>
> 402-467-3240<br>
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there might be a pinhole in the back lamination
that is allowing water into the module.<br>
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><br>
><br>
> Bryan Norkunas<br>
><br>
> PV-Cables Inc.<br>
><br>
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><br>
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> Subject: [RE-wrenches] Module snail trails<br>
><br>
> Hello All,<br>
><br>
> I have a local utility with a 50Kw array
installed in 2015 consisting of 200 ReneSola
250w modules and 3 SMA Tripower 15000TL-US -10.
They are having Arc fault code on two of the
inverters. This has been going on for a few
years now. It happens a couple times a year
generally after a large rain. They just reset
the code and it comes back to life.<br>
><br>
> They gave me a walk through and we noticed
that a number of modules have snail trails. I
have attached a closeup picture I took and IR
views of affected module and non affected. It
was a 90 deg day when the utility took the IR
pictures.<br>
><br>
> Causes for snail trails that I found:<br>
><br>
> * The difference in chemical
properties of EVA foils and the silver contacts<br>
> * The degradation extent of the EVA
material<br>
> * Water vapor permeability of the
solar panel?s backsheet material<br>
><br>
> I did find that if you have snail trails
you will have micro fractures. I did see some
info that micro fractures could cause arc
faults.<br>
><br>
> Finally my question is can snail trails
cause arc faults also?<br>
><br>
><br>
> Thanks Jon<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Jonathan Dixon<br>
> Dixon Power Systems<br>
> 3250 N 20th St Ste 1<br>
> Lincoln, NE 68521<br>
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