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<p>I dealt with this on my "last" GTBB system. I say last, because
I only do backup systems now in places like Puerto Rico that
actually need backup. The FXRs will NOT connect to even an
inverter generator (Yamaha EF3000), unless they are programmed to
GEN. Our solution was to save two different system profiles on
the Mate, and the customer, after actuating the transfer switch
was to switch to the other profile on the Mate. Power reliability
before GTBB: 99.9%, Power Reliability after GTBB was installed:
80%. </p>
<p>The FXRs had firmware problems that caused one inverter (and half
the backup loads) to shut off when trying to sell back. Outback
Tech support blamed me for the problems, and only after several
months of shut downs, did they acknowledge that their firmware was
actually the issue. Customer spent $30k+ for less reliability. <br>
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<p>Magnum going away? Probably a good thing too, since I had my
first out of the box failure this Spring, after an almost perfect
record over the past 15 years. Customer was on generator power
for over 2 months waiting for the replacement. My whole career
has been marked with great companies being sold, only to see them
later drown in a cesspool of mediocre products and poor tech
support. <br>
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<p>Ray Walters<br>
Remote Solar<br>
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<div dir="ltr">As I remember the FXR inverters will rarely connect
to any generators beside very well controlled or inverter type
generators. I agree that I don't think there is any automatic
transfer from grid tie to generator input.
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It is my understanding that the FXR will not
"automatically" switch from Grid Input to Gen. </div>
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To my knowledge this is a manual option only.</div>
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I do not recall any way to make this happen
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I think the brand we used to use was IOTA however, I
have also seen golf cart chargers used.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Jeremy</div>
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<div dir="ltr">There are two issues I think. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">1 is that the inverter won’t connect. </div>
<div dir="ltr">And I don’t have an answer why the
inverter won’t in sell mode but will in gen mode.
Maybe the generator is slightly out of the more narrow
window for grid. I presume you’ve checked hz and volts
and they are in spec for grid? I know sometimes the
frequency control can be slightly variable without a
load. I’ve had success in the past getting inverters
to connect to a generator with putting some dumb loads
on it. Like incandescent lights or small heater. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">2. Maybe it’s a good thing it won’t
because if it did connect wouldn’t it be possible for
the inverter to try to sell to the generator? If you
didn’t have to change grid to Gen?</div>
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Wrenches, </div>
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We have a client that has brought utility power in
and we now have the system hooked up to the
utility.</div>
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In setting the system up, I've experienced that
the inverter will sell and function fine with all
the settings set up as<b> Grid Tied</b> mode, but
it does not play nice when the grid is gone , and
the Generator is brought in as the AC source.</div>
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We have installed an external transfer switch to
switch the inverters' AC input, from either the
utility or the existing backup generator ( if the
grid fails), automatically. </div>
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The manual states that the inverter's two input
selections can be programmed for seperate input
modes, via the<b> Input</b>
<b>Type</b> menu. Ive not been able to get this
accomplished. </div>
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When simulating a grid outage, thus changing the
AC input to the inverter being from the Generator,
the inverter will not synch to the AC power to
charge the batteries. </div>
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The only way that I can get the inverter to synch,
is to switch the input mode to
<b>GEN</b> from <b>GRID.</b></div>
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This is not ideal since the client would need to
be present to make the button push, even though
the generator will be started automatically if the
grid were to go down (hopefully) , just as it did
before.</div>
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With no way to contact Outback , can someone
advise how to properly program the inverter/
MATE3S for this project? </div>
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Equipment onsite:</div>
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Single VFXR3648 inverter</div>
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Two FM60 CCs</div>
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Hub4</div>
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MATE3S</div>
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ATS with Dual Relays 50A </div>
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L.A. Battery bank</div>
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Here's how we would like it to work:</div>
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Utility power ON: </div>
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Sell excess power once the batteries have gone
through the Absorb cycle. Batteries remain full in
case of a utility failure. </div>
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Utility Outage: </div>
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ATS now feeds Inv AC input via Generator if
needed.</div>
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Inverter runs the home as it did , off grid.</div>
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If the battery voltage drops and the AGS is
engaged, the inverter will use that input to
charge the batteries as usual. If the grid comes
back on and the gen is running, the generator can
still run, with no connection to the inverter.
With the grid now charging the battery bank, and
the AGS will enventually shut off the Gen. Based
on voltage. </div>
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