<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Vince,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Your math looks correct of course, but I think you left out a variable in that the panel won’t be operating at max power because the inverters are all less than 400 watts rated. </div><div class="">Which means that the MPPT voltage will be pushed up to reduce power giving you added room. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">From my understanding of how the Mppt works, but I don’t know specifically about enphase, if its a good algorithm the inverter won’t go below its lowest MPPT voltage. </div><div class="">The inverter will reduce power playing around with the IV curve to maintain the MPPT within its range. So it won’t ever get out of operating unless it can’t even produce enough volts to make that voltage. I’ve never seen a curve of Enphase MPPT efficiency vs input voltage. Would like to though. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Jay</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 24, 2024, at 8:38 PM, Vince McClellan via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" class="">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Hello Wrenches List</div><div class="">I've recently become aware of an issue with micro-inverters that I would like to share. </div>Be sure the solar module you're using is compatible with the microinverter for the solar module's full life. <div class="">A good best practice is to design for the MPPT voltage range of the inverter. I only consider the operating range of the inverter when it won't affect the inverter during its operational time, such as when the solar module is at its coldest in the first few moments of sunlight when it hits max Voc. That will only happen for a few moments as the sun heats the solar module. High heat is different. If the solar module falls below the MPPT voltage window that will happen in the middle of the day when the solar array should be producing its maximum power for the day. If the voltage of the solar module falls below the MPPT voltage window during that time it becomes much less efficient at tracking the power or simply turns off. Some studies have shown a solar module degradation rate averaging up to 1.4%/year. </div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">Here is an example of what I'm talking about with weather data for Eugene OR and a roof-mounted Phono PS400M6H-18/VHB solar module. </div><div class="">Vmp 30.85</div><div class="">Coe/<b class="">°</b>C = -0.28%</div><div class="">High-Temperature voltage calculation: 30.85 Vmp X [ 1-(32+30-25) X .0028] = 27.65 Vmp adjusted for 2% average high temp of 32°C</div><div class="">Here is my Enphase cheat sheet for quickly looking at design compatibility. </div><div class=""><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="417" style="border-collapse:collapse;width:313pt" class="">
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M#</td>
<td class="gmail-xl63" width="64" style="border-style: solid solid solid none; width: 48pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">Operating Range</td>
<td class="gmail-xl63" width="64" style="border-style: solid solid solid none; width: 48pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">MPPT Voltage
Range</td>
<td class="gmail-xl63" width="109" style="border-style: solid solid solid none; width: 82pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">Commonly used
module pairings</td>
<td class="gmail-xl64" width="44" style="border-style: solid solid solid none; width: 33pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; vertical-align: middle; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px;">Phase</td>
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<td height="20" class="gmail-xl63" width="136" style="height: 15pt; border-style: none solid solid; width: 102pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">IQ8MC-72-M-US</td>
<td class="gmail-xl63" width="64" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 48pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">18-58
V</td>
<td class="gmail-xl63" width="64" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 48pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">25-45
V</td>
<td class="gmail-xl65" width="109" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 82pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; text-align: center; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">260-460
Wstc</td>
<td class="gmail-xl65" width="44" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 33pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; text-align: center; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">1</td>
</tr>
<tr height="20" style="height:15pt" class="">
<td height="20" class="gmail-xl63" width="136" style="height: 15pt; border-style: none solid solid; width: 102pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">IQ8-60-M-US</td>
<td class="gmail-xl63" width="64" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 48pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">16-48
V</td>
<td class="gmail-xl63" width="64" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 48pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">27-37
V</td>
<td class="gmail-xl65" width="109" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 82pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; text-align: center; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">235-350
Wstc</td>
<td class="gmail-xl65" width="44" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 33pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; text-align: center; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">1</td>
</tr>
<tr height="20" style="height:15pt" class="">
<td height="20" class="gmail-xl63" width="136" style="height: 15pt; border-style: none solid solid; width: 102pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">IQ8PLUS-72-M-US</td>
<td class="gmail-xl63" width="64" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 48pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">16-58
V</td>
<td class="gmail-xl63" width="64" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 48pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">27-45
V</td>
<td class="gmail-xl65" width="109" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 82pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; text-align: center; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">235-440
Wstc</td>
<td class="gmail-xl65" width="44" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 33pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; text-align: center; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">1</td>
</tr>
<tr height="20" style="height:15pt" class="">
<td height="20" class="gmail-xl63" width="136" style="height: 15pt; border-style: none solid solid; width: 102pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">IQ8H-3P-72-E-US</td>
<td class="gmail-xl63" width="64" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 48pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">16-63
V</td>
<td class="gmail-xl63" width="64" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 48pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">28.5-45
V</td>
<td class="gmail-xl65" width="109" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 82pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; text-align: center; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">320-540
Wstc</td>
<td class="gmail-xl65" width="44" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 33pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; text-align: center; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">3</td>
</tr>
<tr height="20" style="height:15pt" class="">
<td height="20" class="gmail-xl63" width="136" style="height: 15pt; border-style: none solid solid; width: 102pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">IQ8M-72-US</td>
<td class="gmail-xl63" width="64" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 48pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">16-58
V</td>
<td class="gmail-xl63" width="64" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 48pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">30-45
V</td>
<td class="gmail-xl65" width="109" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 82pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; text-align: center; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">260-460
Wstc</td>
<td class="gmail-xl65" width="44" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 33pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; text-align: center; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">1</td>
</tr>
<tr height="20" style="height:15pt" class="">
<td height="20" class="gmail-xl63" width="136" style="height: 15pt; border-style: none solid solid; width: 102pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">IQ8A-M-US</td>
<td class="gmail-xl63" width="64" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 48pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">16-58
V</td>
<td class="gmail-xl63" width="64" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 48pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">32-45
V</td>
<td class="gmail-xl65" width="109" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 82pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; text-align: center; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">295-500
Wstc</td>
<td class="gmail-xl65" width="44" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 33pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; text-align: center; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">1</td>
</tr>
<tr height="20" style="height:15pt" class="">
<td height="20" class="gmail-xl63" width="136" style="height: 15pt; border-style: none solid solid; width: 102pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">IQ8A-72-M-US</td>
<td class="gmail-xl63" width="64" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 48pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">16-58
V</td>
<td class="gmail-xl63" width="64" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 48pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">32-45
V</td>
<td class="gmail-xl65" width="109" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 82pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; text-align: center; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">295-500
Wstc</td>
<td class="gmail-xl65" width="44" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 33pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; text-align: center; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">1</td>
</tr>
<tr height="20" style="height:15pt" class="">
<td height="20" class="gmail-xl63" width="136" style="height: 15pt; border-style: none solid solid; width: 102pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">IQ8P-3P-72-E-US</td>
<td class="gmail-xl63" width="64" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 48pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">16-63
V</td>
<td class="gmail-xl63" width="64" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 48pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">35.5-53
V</td>
<td class="gmail-xl65" width="109" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 82pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; text-align: center; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">380-640
Wstc</td>
<td class="gmail-xl65" width="44" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 33pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; text-align: center; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">3</td>
</tr>
<tr height="20" style="height:15pt" class="">
<td height="20" class="gmail-xl63" width="136" style="height: 15pt; border-style: none solid solid; width: 102pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">IQ8H-208-72-M-US</td>
<td class="gmail-xl63" width="64" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 48pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">16-58
V</td>
<td class="gmail-xl63" width="64" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 48pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">36-45
V</td>
<td class="gmail-xl65" width="109" style="border-style: none solid solid none; width: 82pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; text-align: center; border-right-width: 1pt; border-right-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-width: 1pt; border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 1px; padding-left: 1px; vertical-align: bottom;">295-500
Wstc</td>
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</tbody></table></div><div class="">So I'm good with three of the inverters on my list right? Not really. As the solar cells age the degradation of the cell drops the cells voltage. A good design practice is to drop the adjusted Vmp down 10% to make up for cell degradation. So, 27.65 Adjusted Vmp - 10% would be 24.88Vmp. I would still feel comfortable using one of the inverters on my list. </div><div class="">If I go to the <a href="https://enphase.com/installers/microinverters/calculator" class="">Enphase compatibility calculator</a> it shows seven inverters that are compatible with the Phono PS400M6H-18/VHB solar module for my climate. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Other than that issue, we try to use micro inverters only when they are reasonably easy to get to because we know we will be back at some point to replace inverters. </div><div class="">Electronic components fail mostly based on temperature fluctuations over time. The area behind a solar array is both the hottest and coldest location at the installation site. I do like micro inverters for many applications where there are multiple roof angles and or moving shade to deal with on a client's roof. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I would love to hear back from others if you think my calculations are way off. This kind of back and forth is how we grow as installers and I won't take offense if any of you slam my ideas. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks to all of you for contributing to our industry, </div><div class=""><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;" class=""><font color="#500050" face="Georgia" class=""><span style="font-size:14.6667px" class="">Vince McClellan</span></font></div><div style="line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;" class=""><font color="#500050" face="Georgia" class=""><span style="font-size:14.6667px" class="">President</span></font></div><div style="line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;" class=""><font color="#500050" face="Georgia" class=""><span style="font-size:14.6667px" class="">NABCEP PV Professional</span></font></div><div style="line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;" class=""><font color="#500050" face="Georgia" class=""><span style="font-size:14.6667px" class="">p: 541-485-8122</span></font></div><div style="line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;" class=""><font color="#500050" face="Georgia" class=""><span style="font-size:14.6667px" class="">a: 860 Conger St. Suite 12,. 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Copying or using any part, content, or attachment of this email is strictly prohibited.</span><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="background-color:transparent;color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt" class=""><br class=""></span></div></div></div></div><br class=""></div></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 1:55 PM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" class="">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">It's very curious how there are geographic preferences, and that is definitely something to consider. I tell clients that there won't be anyone to service their system 10 years down the line if they go with anyone but Enphase around here. If a prospective client has 10 quotes locally, 9 of them will be Enphase, and one will be Tesla. If they get an 11th quote they might get a Franklin WH or another brand if they are doing battery backup. Even SolarEdge is dead here, as far as I can tell. I haven't seen a competitive quote with SolarEdge in ages.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I can share this poignant advice with clients because I'm one of the only people in Southwest Florida who will even touch something from Outback, Scheneider/Xantrex/Trace, Sonnen, Magnum, SMA, or even old grid-tied Fronius IGs. If someone wants to come and swap out HD Wave inverters as a living here, I will gladly step aside. Swimming against the current gets very tiring for consumers. Sometimes, you just have to follow the crowd.</div><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">Jason Szumlanski<div class=""><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px" class="">Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design Group</span><br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px" class=""><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px" class="">NABCEP Certified Solar Professional (PVIP)</span><br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px" class=""><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px" class="">Florida State Certified Solar Contractor CVC56956</span></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" class="">Florida Certified Electrical Contractor EC13013208</font></div></div></div></div><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 4:41 PM August Goers <<a href="mailto:august@luminalt.com" target="_blank" class="">august@luminalt.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">I agree with Jason that it is going to take a really compelling microinverter product at this point to knock Enphase off the #1 micro position. It seems risky to sell any other microinverter products given the complexity of the product and the fact that if the competing product manufacturer goes out of business that there won't be any choice but to replace all of that product. That said, competition in the market is good, so my salutes to anyone willing to try other microinverter products. We have experience with SolarBridge (they were owned by SunPower for a while) and that product was by far inferior to Enphase. We've also installed a few hundred PowerOne ABB micros - those have been for the most part very reliable, but the monitoring side of the equation is very poor so dealing with RMA issues there is a bit of a challenge. Both of those products are outdated now and no longer on the market.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I've posted here on this before - we're having good luck with the Tesla solar inverter. It is low cost and has lots of benefits including 4 x trackers with low start voltage, power control systems, built in monitoring, etc. We're now offering Enphase systems as well (we were a SunPower dealer for many years) so customers can have a choice if Tesla is not their cup of tea. Elon Musk is aggravating.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">August</div><div class="">Luminalt</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 1:21 PM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" class="">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">I don't really understand the resistance to Enphase on a roof (anymore, at least). We have many thousands of microinverters out there, and I don't even have a dedicated service department. We swap maybe 100 a year at the most at this point, and that includes for systems we didn't install. It's super quick and easy. But most of our roofs are single story 5:12 pitch on average.</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">I have at least a dozen small commercial sites with 100 - 500 units each, and I can't remembereven an handful of replacements on those over the years. </div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">I did get involved with a commercial site I did not install, and that was a nightmare, with over 100 early generation microinverters that failed. It was a custom rack, and the clamps were a nightmare, not to mention the array map had gotten out of whack over the years from prior micro swaps. But for the most part, I have no issue with micro swaps on roofs. </div><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">Jason Szumlanski<div class=""><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px" class="">Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design Group</span><br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px" class=""><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px" class="">NABCEP Certified Solar Professional (PVIP)</span><br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px" class=""><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px" class="">Florida State Certified Solar Contractor CVC56956</span></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" class="">Florida Certified Electrical Contractor EC13013208</font></div></div></div></div><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 2:14 PM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" class="">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif" class="">
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