<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">I have recently been installing lead carbon VRLA batteries and they have some nice characteristics over conventional AGM's such as rapid charge and ’allegedly’ significantly reduced sulphation. I have generally avoided VRLA and recently had a client toast a $15k set of Rolls (sulphation) in a very short time due to incorrect charge settings. This is a Canadian distributor but similar batteries may be available in the U.S.<div><br></div><div><div style="display: block;"><div style="-webkit-user-select: all; -webkit-user-drag: element; display: inline-block;" class="apple-rich-link" draggable="true" role="link" data-url="https://hubpower.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/HC6-420-Spec-Sheet.pdf"><a style="border-radius:10px;font-family:-apple-system, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;display:block;-webkit-user-select:none;width:228px;user-select:none;-webkit-user-modify:read-only;user-modify:read-only;overflow:hidden;text-decoration:none;" class="lp-rich-link" rel="nofollow" href="https://hubpower.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/HC6-420-Spec-Sheet.pdf" dir="ltr" role="button" draggable="false" width="228"><table style="table-layout:fixed;border-collapse:collapse;width:228px;background-color:#E5E6E9;font-family:-apple-system, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" class="lp-rich-link-emailBaseTable" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="228"><tbody><tr><td vertical-align="center" align="center"><img style="width:228px;filter:brightness(0.97);height:294px;" width="228" height="294" draggable="false" class="lp-rich-link-mediaImage" alt="preview.png" src="cid:413B2240-5380-4908-BDA1-172BFB0977A4"></td></tr><tr><td vertical-align="center"><table bgcolor="#E5E6E9" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="228" style="font-family:-apple-system, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;table-layout:fixed;background-color:rgba(229, 230, 233, 1);" class="lp-rich-link-captionBar"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:8px 0px 8px 0px;" class="lp-rich-link-captionBar-textStackItem"><div style="max-width:100%;margin:0px 16px 0px 16px;overflow:hidden;" class="lp-rich-link-captionBar-textStack"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;font-weight:500;font-size:12px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;text-align:left;" class="lp-rich-link-captionBar-textStack-topCaption-leading"><a rel="nofollow" href="https://hubpower.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/HC6-420-Spec-Sheet.pdf" style="text-decoration: none" draggable="false"><font color="#272727" style="color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.847059);">HC6-420-Spec-Sheet</font></a></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word;font-weight:400;font-size:11px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;text-align:left;" class="lp-rich-link-captionBar-textStack-bottomCaption-leading"><a rel="nofollow" href="https://hubpower.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/HC6-420-Spec-Sheet.pdf" style="text-decoration: none" draggable="false"><font color="#808080" style="color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039);">PDF Document · 378 KB</font></a></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></a></div></div></div><div><br></div><div>Ron</div><div><br><div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Sep 23, 2024, at 3:36 PM, jay via RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">HI All,<div><br></div><div>You’ve all obviously had people take way better care of their VRLA batteries than I have. And it seems as though VRLA and FLA are both not lasting as long as they used to for reasons I don’t understand. </div><div><br></div><div>When I hear someone say yeah I want VRLA for my rental, I can only say no way would I do that. But maybe you’ve got really really good renters. </div><div>My experience with renters is they are really good at killing batteries. The last renter we had, after he killed the batteries through neglect, we told him he had to replace them, and he did. Then it was great as I didn’t care what he did. </div><div><br></div><div>At this point with the cost of LFP vs VRLA and cycle life, availability etc and all that, LFP is the clear winner for me. With the exception of sub freezing temperatures. </div><div><br></div><div>Just my 2 cents</div><div><br></div><div>jay</div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Sep 23, 2024, at 9:23 AM, Maverick Brown via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div dir="auto">David<div><br></div><div>I have installed hundreds of Concorde AGMs and about same quantity of FullRiver AGMs. About 225 off grid systems using 12 or 24 AGMs in each system depending on need. </div><div><br></div><div>Concorde offers a 2V 900Ah and 6V 300Ah “tall golf car” battery. And they have an L-16 size as well similar to FullRiver. </div><div><br></div><div>FullRiver offers a 6V 400Ah and 2V 1150Ah L-16 size. </div><div><br></div><div>I personally own 24 each FullRiver 6V 400Ah bank (48V nominal) for my main house backup (installed since 2017, Outback Radian). </div><div><br></div><div>And I have 24 2V 1200Ah Concorde AGMs in a rental. (48V, XW6048). </div><div><br></div><div>I have a broker / supplier for both (same guy). I’ll text his contact. </div><div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr">Thank you,<div><br></div><div>Maverick</div><div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;"><div><br></div><div>Maverick Brown<br>Off-Grid Solar Commander since 2006<br>Maverick Solar Enterprises, Inc.<br> • Solar Commander Remote Power<br> • SunFlow Systems Cathodic Protection <br><a href="mailto:maverick@mavericksolar.com">maverick@mavericksolar.com</a><br>512-460-9825</div><div><br></div></div></div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Sep 23, 2024, at 7:20 AM, David Palumbo via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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I have decided that AGM batteries would be best for a rental house battery replacement that I own and manage.</div>
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I'm looking for a good quality brand that has AGM's that will get me up to the 900 to 1,000 AH range for my 24v system. </div>
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I have not found any distributors with Surrette's that available right now. I need to install in mid-October.</div>
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What other manufacturers of AGM's should I be looking at right now?</div>
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