<div dir="ltr">The AIO can be used as a standard GridTie inverter without batteries. So can replace current inverters or install new and add storage at a later date.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 11:33 AM Christopher Warfel via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<p><font size="4">I wasn't aware of the new AIO product until this
thread. I downloaded the manual and quick start guide and
wanted to ask if this can be used without batteries, and then
batteries added later, as with Sol Ark. </font><font size="4">All
the schematics in the AIO show batteries. </font><font size="4"> Searching didn't help with the terms I was using. <br>
</font></p>
<p><font size="4">The reality is I am 66, just picked a Medicare
Plan today!, so not too much time on the horizon. However I
have two jobs that want to use batteries later, not now. <br>
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<p><font size="4">Thanks for any help. Chris<br>
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<div dir="auto">I have not tried it with anything but the
Midnite BMS, so no personal experience. Midnite says it is
compatible with others, and I will take William's word that it
is compatible with Pylon protocol.</div>
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The AIO will work with any battery that uses the Pylon
battery protocall.
<div>You can find some Youtube videos of it being used
with the EG4 wall mount batteries.</div>
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at 9:29 AM jay via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>>
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<div><br>
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<div>Does the AIO communicate with other brands of
batteries?</div>
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<div>I concure about using batteries/inverters from
same OEM, its my preference. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I
have been testing a pre-production model
of Midnite's AIO (All in One)
inverter/charge controller in my
off-grid house (replaced a dual stacked
VFX3648, Midnite Classic200 and an AC
coupled SunnyBoy), and while I haven't
put it through any serious tests yet, I
am impressed with its functions and
spec's. I also have a couple of 5kWh
LiFePO4 batteries with their BMS that I
just added to the system (replacing a
1300 ah 2-volt Lead-Acid battery bank),
and the integration was seamless (really
plug and play, compared to an often more
complicated pairing between other
all-in-ones I've been installing
(Sol-Ark, Fortress). I've gotten a sneak
peak at their monitoring site which is
still under intensive development, and
what I've seen looks pretty good. I was
not a fan of the all-in-ones when they
started to flood the market (Sonnen,
Pika/Generac, etc.) especially ones with
the batteries integrated. But I have
converted over to them almost
exclusively as they are much simpler for
my clients to understand - their
programming and operation as well as
their communications are much better
integrated and cleaner in my opinion.
They of course have had power issues and
firmware headaches, which is why I am
sticking to inverters and batteries from
the same manufacturer. I will keep you
all up to date on my experience with the
production model of the Midnite AIO as I
install them and with the Midnite
LiFePO4 batteries as they become
available.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">James Showalter from
Signature Solar and Eric Lundgren
from Big Battery purchased Outback
Solar. I have had terrible tech
support experiences from both of
those outfits, they tend to
conveniently "forget" your
engineering and NEC code compliance
support requests when the answer is
just simply "no, not yet UL listed"
or "we don't know if that feature
works or not." I'm not sure how
these prolific suppliers of cheap
crap products with terrible QC and
NIB failure rates intend to compete,
but my guess is that they have
control of the big crap overseas
product pipeline nozzle and intend
to steer the huge stream of sewage
in our direction. Sol-Ark just
imports Deye products and retrofits
them with their own upgrades and
firmware. Magnum has vanished, much
to my dismay as my own system is
Magnum as are dozens of my
customers.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Us off-grid folks still
have a couple guys named boB and
Robin at Midnite that still
manufacture, sell and support good
products. Maybe Morningstar will up
their game into larger inverters.
Why are all these shady import
companies based in Texas? Inquiring
minds want to know! BTW, I hate
all-in-ones, never had a single good
experience, just endless firmware
and comms updates and such simple
issues resulting in multiple truck
rolls.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">I miss Lones Tuss of
Outback calling me back on a Friday
evening at 7PM and remotely
diagnosing my client's VFX / Mate 3S
issues whilst doing his laundry at
home, after I submitted a ticket
earlier that day. The client
seriously thought I was pulling a
practical joke on him until I put
Lones on speaker.</div>
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<div>Strange new world for us off-grid
folks. I'll have to stick with the
very few companies left that I
trust. Yes, yes, Schneider, but
their tech support is almost
impenetrable. </div>
<div><br>
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<div>Our strange new off-grid world
seems to be destined as crap from
Alibaba and Amazon, and it all
smells rather off to me, like the
"fresh fish" at a run-down Safeway
in eastern Kansas....</div>
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<div dir="ltr">I just checked
the OB forums page and there
is nothing current. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">One thing I found
says that the new president of
OB is the CEO of Big Battery.
I don’t know that to be a
fact. </div>
<div dir="ltr">Which is also
somehow related to signature
solar/ EG4. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">My guess is that
if/when OB resurfaces it won’t
have the same products. It’ll
just be an old name selling
new products and they won’t be
dealing with old legacy
products, warranty or MX or
tech support. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">I could be way
wrong. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">But anyone trying
to keep a product line going
wouldn’t just stop all
communication for a few
months. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Maybe someone who
has been an OB distributor
might know more about what’s
up? I no longer have any of
those contacts. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">New world, fellow
wrenches. </div>
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