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<p class="MsoNormal">White PV wire was something we used to sell often, but that demand has dropped off in the last 5 years or so and always wondered why.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for sharing William</p>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org> on behalf of William Miller via RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 5, 2024 12:53:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> William Miller <william@millersolar.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Sol-Ark 15k solar panel frame grounding</font>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">Friends:</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">On a related subject, I was researching the question: What color should my grounded PV conductor be?
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">History:</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">In the beginning, negative leads were always black.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">When it became apparent that negative PV leads were indeed grounded, the requirement to have them white or grey became enforced per 200.6(A)(3).</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">When transformerless inverters were implemented it was assumed the negative was floating, so white/grey was no longer acceptable.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">Then the NEC recognized that some leads were kind of grounded, not solidly, but through some components, either OCPD, resistors, sensor or a combination. A new term was
created, functionally grounded. This grounding was most often done to implement ground fault detection and interruption, or GFDI. I always assumed that if PV equipment had GFDI it had to feature a grounded polarity, most often indirectly, or functionally.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">Grounded conductors need to be white or grey. Therefore we are back to needing grey/white, most often for the negative lead.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">I wanted to verify if the Sol-Arc PV inputs established a grounded lead. They have GFDI so I assumed it likely they did. In order to verify, I called Sol-Arc. Their tech
support had no idea what I was talking about. They did not know the term functionally grounded and could not verify if their equipment established a ground connection, solid or otherwise, to either polarity.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">This distinction applies here because it may help determine what is causing the GFDI fault. I can’t tell you for sure if one side of the PV circuit is functionally grounded,
but if it is, grounding it elsewhere will defeat the GFDI and may cause nuisance tripping.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">Does anyone know if Sol-Arc PV inputs have a functional ground bond?</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">Side note: I called my local Greentech distributor, who sells plenty of Sol-Arc inverters and asked if they carried white PV wire. They said none of their customers are
asking for white PV wire. I suspect they should be using white for negative leads. I can’t confirm that because Sol-Arc can’t tell me it the PV circuits are functionally grounded or not. Frustrating!</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">Fortunately the manual for Outback charge controllers specifically says the negative lead is functionally grounded. So if you are installing Outback CCs you must use white
or grey. PV-Cables sells white PV wire.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">Confusing? Yeah, a bit. But as my local roofing companies say: “Solar? It can’t be that complicated!”</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">William Miller</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">Miller Solar</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">805-438-5600</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d"><a href="http://www.millersolar.com/">www.millersolar.com</a></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">CA Lic. 773985</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> RE-wrenches [mailto:<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 5, 2024 6:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Jason Szumlanski<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [RE-wrenches] Sol-Ark 15k solar panel frame grounding</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Can anybody clarify the following instruction from the manual?</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">"GND the panel MOUNTS/FRAMES to any GND outside the circuit via 12AWG wire"</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Does this mean do not connect the array equipment grounding conductor to the grounding terminal in the inverter? Where would be the suggested place to connect the equipment grounding conductor, and why does it make a difference? It would
still be electrically bonded to the grounding terminal in the inverter. </p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">I'm asking because I do, in fact, have an equipment grounding conductor from the array connected to the ground terminal in the inverter at a home. I am getting an F08 GFDI fault. The manual doesn't say anything about the DC side with
respect to this error. It suggests it is an AC current leakage to ground. But Sol-Ark tech support suggested that I disconnect the PV to rule it out as a source of the fault.</p>
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