<div dir="ltr">Yes, lots of possibilities for leaks. I will be exploring them today. Thanks for the tips for finding the location. This setup uses 300psi 1" black poly pipe on a 25 ft drop, and then about 1200 ft run of the same pipe up 220ft elevation to the tanks up the hill with the house about 36ft below the tanks with only gravity feed (16 psi). All connections on the poly pipe are made with long stainless barb fittings with T-bolt clamps, pretty bomb proof stuff. There is a pitless adapter into the well casing, I will check that for sure under pressure. I'll also fix the check valve in the pump house. I seem to have a lot of issues with check valves, do they really fail so often? We do<u> not</u> have high mineral water. I've especially had issues with spring check valves and no longer use them. The one in my pump house is a swing check valve which I thought was pretty reliable. If I remember correctly, the check valve in these pumps is not replaceable. Fortunately, we actually have two wells, each with a 3SQF-2 pump that we can alternate for supply. I'll let you know what I find.<div><div><br></div><div>Way back in the '90's we had a customer with a solar pump that just would not perform. Even with a new pump, new control, check this and that, it just would not pump much water. It pumped fine when out of the well. The drop pipe did not have any obstruction. They finally ran the pump while it was out of the well with the drop pipe connected and under pressure, and discovered a crack in the PVC pipe that did not show up except under pressure. So leaks can indeed be hard to find.</div><div><br></div><div>Brad <div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 8:17 AM Jay via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">Hi all</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Yes the pump won’t go backwards but it’s possible there could be some leakage through the helical coil. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">But both check valves have to fail which is a low probability. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I’ve seen pipe broken due to someone closing a valve and not having a pressure relief valve. Not knowing what kind of pipe/fittings are being used it could be corrosion has made a hole. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Not knowing the layout it might be possible to split the plumbing and see if the leakage is above or in the well. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Lots of fun possibilities </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Jay</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On May 26, 2024, at 9:03 AM, Roy Butler via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
<font size="2">Brad,<br>
<br>
Windy might chime in at some point to back me up on this but I see
no way for that pump to turn backwards.<br>
Reverse flow is likely a leak at the pump, the down well piping or
at the pitless adapter if there is one.<br>
<br>
Roy....<br>
<br>
Another old time solar and wind guy, hoping to be retired someday
:-).<br>
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<pre cols="72">Roy Butler
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Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches wrote:<br>
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<div id="m_283153019252473897signature">Hey Brad,</div>
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<div>Sometimes shooting is best if you tell more on what you have
done so far like using the SQF shooting guide, especially on a
holiday weekend😉</div>
<div>Assume there is a CU200 controller and pump is in ground
still, must be with 100ft head, sorry</div>
<div>No high amps? It runs, How old? </div>
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<div>--Dave</div>
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<p id="m_283153019252473897reply-intro">On 2024-05-26 4:26 am, Jay via RE-wrenches
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<div style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:monospace">Hi Brad<br>
<br>
With 2 check valves leaking I’d look for a broken pipe or a
corroded fitting. <br>
<br>
If there is anyway to isolate between the 2 check valves then
you could measure the pressure drop on both sides which should
point to the direction of the leak. <br>
<br>
Jay<br>
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I have a water system with a Grundfos SQFlex SQF3-2 pump.
I'm getting water flow in reverse either through the pump or
a leak up to the pump. My question is if the check valve on
the top of the pump is not sealing, will the progressive
cavity pump allow water to flow through the pump in reverse?
I'd think that with a positive displacement pump it would
not, except very slowly or if it turned the motor backwards
which I think would be very unlikely. There is about 100 psi
head on the pump. <br>
<br>
I think it's most likely I have a leak somewhere in the
plumbing, and of course another failed check valve farther
up in the plumbing. It's possible to get failures even with
redundant protection if you have two concurrent failures,
which I must have here. <br>
<br>
Brad Bassett <br>
Old time solar guy who used to do solar pumping back in the
'80's and '90's. Mostly retired now.<br>
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