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<p>I'll just say I hope there are manufacturers of the equipment we
are using who are diligently reading our conversations here. They
must know how us Beta-testers (AKA: installers) are fairing with
their shining new versions of the stuff we install and become
married to a positive outcome for our customers and really the
future of solar, hopefully not at the cost of our sanity.</p>
<p> Personally, so far we've been happy with the switch to
SimpliPhi's batteries though I'm sure we're not installing the
quantity that many on the list are. Most have been in
Outback/Midnite systems of varying ages. <br>
</p>
<p>Bill<br>
</p>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Feather River Solar Electric
Bill Battagin, owner
4291 Nelson St. (Shipping)
5575 Genesee Rd. (USPS, UPS)
Taylorsville, CA 95983
530-284-7849, 258-1641(cell)
CA. C10 Lic # 874049
Solar Powered since 1982
Home of the Sunny Side Up</pre>
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Morningstar via RE-wrenches wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Ray,
<div>I'm in the same situation. My strategic plan was to work
into early old age ( in 20-25 years). But now, I spend half of
my time troubleshooting and replacing equipment on my dime.
Between that, competing with Grid-Tied guys, and having to
justify my mark-up to clients comparing my pricing to NAZ's,
It's just not worth it anymore. Where I'm at, there's little
commercial or industrial electrical work to be had so it's
likely my future is pulling rope through attics and crawl
spaces.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yes, the Magnum equipment produced for the first five or so
years was extremely reliable. Same for the Outback, maybe less
so. I was thinking that the only repairs I had to make on SWs
was replacing transfer relays and that was only a few out of
countless systems. I think it was Bob-O who many years ago
introduced me to the saying "it's a race to the bottom" : )</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I tried EG4's in my own system when at 15 years my Rolls
reached the end. I also tried them in a customers system.
Absolute nightmare. I don't know which is worse, the batteries
or Signature Solar.</div>
</div>
<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at
10:36 AM Ray Walters via RE-wrenches <<a
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<div>
<p>Hi Michael;</p>
<p>I don't think its 12v, I have old Trace 48 v systems
still humming along 24 years later, too. Some of it, is
the customers. The old school off grid folks knew how to
conserve energy, watch the sun, and were not going to call
unless they couldn't fix it themselves. </p>
<p>Also, the equipment was built much better back then for
sure, I have a new Magnum install that is just a disaster,
voltage dips below 100 vac, every time any larger load
goes on (well pump, garbage disposal, fridge, coffee
maker) and I've replaced 3 BMK battery monitors under
warranty so far. Apparently you can NOT disconnect or
connect the BMK with its built in 4 pin <b>connector</b>,
or it will smoke the unit. That is a new problem, they
used to be robust. I have many older Magnum systems that
are great. Magnum quality has taken a huge dive since
being acquired by Sensata.<br>
</p>
<p>If it wasn't for Trace, old Outback, and old Magnum stuff
being reliable, I would have gone out of business decades
ago. Now it looks like I need to find a new line of work,
just a few years before retirement, because manufacturers
no longer prioritize reliability. Meanwhile Li+ is what
new customers expect, yet its still not ready for prime
time, either. I have an installer buddy that is having
all sorts of trouble with an EG4 battery setup, and the
installation isn't even complete. He's already had to dark
start them several times, and now they won't even stay
operational for more than a few minutes. The cheapo BMS
lears its ugly head once again. All we're doing lately is
fixing stuff less than 5 years old. <br>
</p>
<p>Ray Walters<br>
Remote Solar<br>
</p>
<div>On 4/25/2024 9:52 AM, Michael Morningstar via
RE-wrenches wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Here's a different take. Just food for
thought and not necessarily a suggestion. Those 1st or
2nd Gen 12V systems were/are for me the most reliable
and trouble free systems. I'd install one and never hear
back from my customer for a decade or more. I
regularly see "rats nest" wired 12V/Trace DR/UX hybrid
systems with Arco panels that still hum along. When I
get asked to update these systems, assuming that the
power needs haven't grown much, I usually keep the
voltages the same (12VDC and 120VAC), sanitize the
wiring, add OCPDs, Victron smart shunt/Battery monitor,
Victron CC and inverter, and Lead Acids or AGM's. Good
for another 20 years with batteries being replaced in
10. With only a few exceptions, every ancient system
that I have tried to bring into the 21st century for my
low needs off-grid pioneers has been a flop. Inverters
and Charge controllers that take a dump after a few
years, TMI with new monitor/controllers, and lots of
headaches with Lithium.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Now, if we're talking about a client who has just
purchased a property with a legacy system and wants
to live like they are still in the City, that's an
entirely different conversation.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My own system for my full time off-grid home is
12V/120V, and I live Fat! Tiny array (700Ws 4 hours a
day), tiny hydro (150Ws 7 months a year) 2 Rolls 21
CS-21Ps, Honda eu2000i, 12VDC Sunfrost, 12VDC device
charging station, 12VDC UV water disinfection (gravity
spring water) on a 12VDC loadcenter (SQD QO),
Morningstar 300W Suresine powers an AC loadcenter for
lighting and most plugs) Magnum 2812 powers a
loadcenter that feeds bathroom and kitchen plugs. It
stays off to reduce idle consumption). I've never had
a problem with this system in 15 years. If I'm not
around, or my financials are weak, replacing a piece
of equipment won't hurt myself or my wife. If need be,
I can charge from a vehicle or farm equipment. And I
could pull a battery from something here on the ranch
in a pinch. The wiring/installation is clear and I
made a manual so that any decent electrician could
troubleshoot and make repairs should Todd Cory not be
around :)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Again, I say all this to provoke a thought
experiment. I've installed and replaced hundreds upon
hundreds of off-grid systems from pinky dinky to
millions and the ones that have worked the best
were/are either AC Hydro, old-school (pre-Xantrex) or
Schneider/Discover and the latter have had their share
of issues.</div>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 25, 2024
at 7:34 AM Bradley Bassett via RE-wrenches <<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div dir="ltr">I had a lot of trouble keeping QO
breakers functional on a 12VDC distribution system.
I'd have to move them around every week or so to
keep a good contact on the plug in contacts. They
seem to work fine on a 24VDC system. I went to using
MNPV or MNDC breakers instead in PV combiner or
other MidNite boxes. QOU breakers are fine, but I
don't know of any standard distribution box for
them.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Brad Bassett</div>
<div>Application Engineer retired</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 24,
2024 at 11:42 AM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Hi Dave,</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I appreciate the concern.
It's not one of those situations. We have a
couple of barrier islands around here where
people have set up what amounts to little
fish camps that are used infrequently. The
islands are also home to a few
full-time/most-time residents and
state parks. Everyone knows everyone. The
clients are safe and reliable. These sites
range from places that people paid just tens
of thousands of dollars decades ago all the
way up to many-multi-million dollar strips
of sand where very wealthy people like to
look out over Naples beach a couple times of
year from their off-grid mansions. It's
pretty interesting.</div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I "get" why people who
only take friends out a few times a
year on a fishing expedition want a
band-aid approach. There is no reason
to throw $100K at a situation like
this. In this case, I feel I can get
creative to meet the very limited 12V
and 120V needs while providing a
reliable and long-lasting solution for
around $25K and pocket enough money
that I want to answer their call in
the future. Right now they are getting
by with 4 x 100W Solarland modules
with a 9.6kWh battery bank and a Honda
EU2000. I'm certain they will be blown
away with the performance of whatever
I propose, and happy that it is
installed in a safe and
professional manner.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">The current distribution
systems look solid, each protected by
a Square D QO breaker panel and
professionally installed. The power
production and delivery system is a
total kludge that I feel I can fix
without too much risk.</div>
<br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
Jason Szumlanski
<div><span
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr
24, 2024 at 2:19 PM Dave Angelini Offgrid
Solar via RE-wrenches <<a
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<div
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about just buy an RV?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Seriously the reason Jason I am Leary
is because of the experiences I have had
with what I call Offgrid Squalor. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Just have to be careful especially
these days of druggies, people in vans
with no windows, ex paramilitary that
went bad, </div>
<div>and you get the picture.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>If you know the person that is the
way to keep you and your loved ones
safe. Money does talk sometimes and the
lack can of it</div>
<div>can be a warning.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Also as mentioned, these types of
situations, are what gets my accountant
telling me if you do not charge enough,</div>
<div>no one will listen to your advice.<br>
<pre> </pre>
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<p
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2024-04-24 10:51 am, John Blittersdorf
via RE-wrenches wrote:</p>
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<div dir="ltr">Jason,
<div> Just using the converter
works fine. They are considered a
battery charger or a regulated
power supply. I am
currently running that way now
with the battery cables going
nowhere. I was thinking of
putting the battery back in the
system just for triple redundancy
when my inverter hits low battery
cutoff voltage on a cold winter
night and no fuel for the
generator (or it won't start).</div>
<div>My Iota DLS puts out a
regulated 13.4 volts up to 30
amps. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>John</div>
</div>
<br>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Apr 24, 2024
at 8:25 AM Jason Szumlanski via
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wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Ah ha! I didn't consider
using a small 12V battery
with a charger. I was
thinking of just using a
120V -> 12V converter to
handle the DC loads. Is the
12V battery really
necessary, or can I just
power the DC loads directly
with a converter? If I just
have lights and fans on the
DC system, the load should
be pretty minimal. </div>
<div
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </div>
<div
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I could use a separate
12V battery, but I would
like to eliminate that cost
and complexity if possible.</div>
<div
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </div>
<div
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </div>
<div
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">And yeah, I am not
considering this a money
making opportunity. It's
really just a challenge to
ward off boredom from the
daily grind.</div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr"><br>
Jason Szumlanski
<div><span
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Solar Designer |
Florida Solar Design
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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Apr 24,
2024 at 8:01 AM John
Blittersdorf via RE-wrenches
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<div dir="ltr">Jason,
<div> I have a customer
with the same situation
except he already has a
12 V VFX inverter, He
has a sunfrost fridge
and other small loads
with a very fancy custom
control board</div>
<div>originally set up to
handle AC and DC
systems. We are adding
a lot more solar and I
was considering a dual
battery system but the
owner didn't like that
idea. We are going with
and Iota 12v power
supply (i use one at my
house for my sunfrost)
to power up all his DC
loads and will be adding
a large 48 V battery
bank and over 4Kw of
solar using a
VFXR3648 directly in
place of the 12V
inverter. He complained
that the existing
inverter would not
handle all his current
AC loads very well. My
own house is fully wired
for 12VDC as well as AC
(lots of #10 copper not
being used) and I have
been considering getting
a small LFP 12V battery
to put back on by DC
System. Then use the
Iota as a secondary
charging method with
some of my large stash
of older modules hooked
up for 12V direct with
C40 charge controller to
recreate my original
system just for kicks.
I'm only using DC for my
Sunfrost and one
"emergency light" in the
livingroom right now.
For your customer, a
small LFP 12v battery
(approximately $500 or
less) to replace his old
battery bankm and more
larger ones for the new
AC side with 48V
inverter fed by his
generator or through an
Iota 48 V charger
ifusing a smaller non
charging inverter.
Unlike Dave, I like
these challenges. Maybe
thats why I never seem
to make money.!!</div>
<div> </div>
<div>John Blittersdorf</div>
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href="http://offgridvermont.com" rel="noopener noreferrer"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">offgridvermont.com</a></div>
<div> </div>
</div>
<br>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Apr
24, 2024 at 7:22 AM
Jason Szumlanski via
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<div dir="ltr">
<div
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Fortunately, the owner is
pretty handy and
is willing to live
with any negative
consequences. That
said, I want to
offer him
something as
simple and
bulletproof as
possible. I am
walking into this
with eyes wide
open, for sure.</div>
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<div dir="ltr"><br>
Jason
Szumlanski
<div><span
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Solar Designer
| Florida
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<div dir="ltr">On
Tue, Apr 23, 2024
at 5:47 PM Dave
Angelini Offgrid
Solar via
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<pre><span
style="font-size:12pt">Not being helpful but I walk away from these. It will come back to you.</span> </pre>
<pre><strong><span
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<div
dir="auto">I
have an
off-grid
client who is
working on
replacing old
equipment at a
cabin. He has
a lot of 12
volt
distribution
in the house
for lighting,
fans, and a 12
volt
refrigerator.
He also has
120 volt AC
loads that run
through a
separate
distribution
panel where
the only
source is a
2000 Watt
Honda
generator.
There is no
inverter
present. The
batteries are
charged
through a
Trace C40.
<div
dir="auto"> </div>
<div
dir="auto">He
currently has
a few ancient
solar panels
and a
struggling
Bank of AGM
batteries.
It's time for
an upgrade. I
can easily
supply enough
PV power for
what he needs.
He currently
has a 9
kilowatt hour
battery
capacity that
he was happy
with when the
batteries
operated
optimally.
Nonetheless, I
would probably
future-proof
him with a 10
to 15 kilowatt
hour LiPo to
double or
triple his
usable
capacity.<br>
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<div
dir="auto">For
convenience,
obviously it
would be nice
to have an
inverter to
eliminate or
reduce the
generator
requirement.
But he seems
committed to
keeping his 12
volt
distribution
because it
would be
costly to
replace
fixtures. I
think he would
consider
replacing the
12 volt
refrigerator
if he has an
inverter. </div>
<div
dir="auto"> </div>
<div
dir="auto">He
definitely
wants LiPo
batteries. </div>
<div
dir="auto"> </div>
<div
dir="auto">I
don't like the
idea of 12
volt direct
from a battery
plus
connecting an
inverter to
that same
battery. It is
going to be
hard to
measure and
monitor
things. </div>
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dir="auto"> </div>
<div
dir="auto">I
am thinking
about using a
48 volt
battery with a
single phase
120 volt
inverter,
getting him to
change to a
120 volt
refrigerator,
and using a DC
converter to
give him
somewhere in
the range of
100 amps at 12
volts for his
existing DC
lighting and
fan loads. Is
this a bad
idea? Should I
stick with a
12 volt
battery
system? He
does have a
tiny 12 volt
pressure pump
which might be
an issue for
the converter.
I'm not sure.
I am a bit
worried about
the efficiency
loss and
capacity of DC
converters and
not sure how
to size it.</div>
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