<div dir="ltr" gmail_original="1"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Jay, I wlll contact you off list and give you my number. The rest below is for your and everyone else's benefit.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">My experience with Enphase has been wonderful, but I've been installing Enphase since 2009 and I know all of the ins and outs and lingo. Customer service doesn't have a chance against me usually. They do have many many great front line CS reps and a great escalations team. You have to know the right things to say to get the answers you need. You also need to know when to challenge them when they give you nonsense, usually about potential wiring issues and most famously for "noise" on the powerline that magically appears. The number one service call we get is the Gateway is disconnected, and it's usually a Wi-Fi issue.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">With that said, it's unclear which "Envoy" now called a "Gateway" your client has. The original one is the Envoy-R. It has a screen and it connected via Ethernet or via a USB Wi-Fi dongle that is not longer available. These -R units failed in droves and only has 1 or 2 year warranties. They will get stuck on "Booting," or say device failure or have gibberish characters on the screen. These all indicate failure and will require replacement.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">The solution is to replace it with a <a href="https://mailtrack.io/l/9b4cb649cee9a6ce07d093e98183390a51f253a2?w=cmUtd3JlbmNoZXNAbGlzdHMucmUtd3JlbmNoZXMub3Jn&url=https%3A%2F%2Fenphase.com%2Fstore%2Fcommunication%2Fenvoy-s-standard&u=1613865&signature=c41bf726d6602b80">Envoy S</a>, which is a 120V plug-in version of the hardwired version, the <a href="https://mailtrack.io/l/f363348ddf4bcbe95c2187c1ebaada3d07debe60?w=cmUtd3JlbmNoZXNAbGlzdHMucmUtd3JlbmNoZXMub3Jn&url=https%3A%2F%2Fenphase.com%2Fstore%2Fcommunication%2Fenvoy-s-metered&u=1613865&signature=f5c9f6526c9b1a5a">Envoy S Metered</a>, which includes a production CT and the capability of doing consumption monitoring. These are both available from the Enphase Store (links provided). The Envoy S is far more reliable and has a 5 year warranty. It has integrated WiFi and Ethernet. It can also use a cell modem (at a significant extra cost).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">You can easily determine the type of Envoy the customer has now in the Enlighten Manager or Enlighten consumer app. You can also call Enphase if you have the serial number.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">If the client has a Envoy S, Envoy S Metered, or IQ Gateway (previously called the IQ Envoy), the issue may be as simple as reconnecting the device to the client's WiFi. They can do that in their own app or you can do it with the Installer Toolkit app.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">DO NOT buy an Envoy-R on eBay or elsewhere. Many of them didn't receive security updates because they were in a box and not web-connected, so they will not work with the Enlighten web portal anymore. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">One more thing... Many times we find that Envoys/Gateways are connected via a WiFi extender. These cheap consumer devices tend to fail. Sometimes unplug/replug works.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><br>Jason Szumlanski<div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design Group</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">NABCEP Certified Solar Professional (PVIP)</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Florida State Certified Solar Contractor CVC56956</span></div><div><font color="#333333" face="Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Florida Certified Electrical Contractor EC13013208</font></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 2:12 PM jay via RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">Hi David.<div><br></div><div>This one is a standard newer version Envoy S. </div><div><br></div><div>I’ve had this exact same issue of tech “support” numerous times. I had to go to my neighbors to confirm that the panels were wired correctly, after they had been installed for years. I’m not making this up.</div><div><br></div><div>Seems to really depend on who you get on the phone if they will help you or not which isn’t good. </div><div><br></div><div>Thats why I”m looking for any help to find the right phone number or person who will/can help.</div><div><br></div><div>I’m guessing its either the envoy needs to be rebooted or its broken. </div><div><br></div><div>thanks</div><div><br></div><div>jay</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Mar 15, 2024, at 11:49 AM, david quattro <<a href="mailto:david@quattrosolar.com" target="_blank">david@quattrosolar.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div>wow, your experience is worse than anything I've ever heard of from Enphase tech support. My experience with them is this: they know their old Envoys are garbage (the M-Series are failing left and right now). The executives made the decision that they will no longer manufacture new M-Envoys. I don't know their posture regarding S-Series, I haven't seen those fail yet. So instead of selling you a good brand new M-Envoy, they try to connive you into replacing 100% of your microinverters with IQ-Enphase - you know, because they are such a great, responsible company.</div><div> Actual options moving forward are to find a used M-Series Envoy that you have tested in-house before you go on your 5 hour drive. I have one I can sell you. Or you deliver the bad news to the customer and tell them the truth - they are flying blind without a functioning Envoy. Ground mounts aren't that bad since you could teach the customer to walk up and verify PV current on each module with a decent meter. For me essentially all of my Enphase fleet went onto residential rooftops where regular access is not an option. What kills me about Enphase is that every step of the way over the last 15 years - EVERY single time they changed their inverter architecture, they promised that all the new stuff would be backward compatible with old gear. And every single time, they were full of it.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 9:49 AM Jay via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-<wbr>wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hi all<br>
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Is there anyway to get tech support with remote coms?<br>
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I got a call just the other day from someone with an envoy. It’s stopped communicating to enohase. Enphase says they need the installer who’s now gone. <br>
They just won’t help the customer. <br>
It’s about a 5 hr round trip for me. Which is nuts as I’ll have to communicate with enohase anyway. <br>
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And I’ve heard rhis exact issue multiple times from numerous people. Envoy has lights but has stopped communicating. I’ve heard enohase tech say “the panels are wired wrong. “. You mean they magically changed after 10 years?<br>
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Does anyone have a person/number etc of who will help them?<br>
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Thanks<br>
Jay<br>
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