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<p>Someone asked about the loss on the discover AES rackmount. </p>
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<p>Also below is a response from Schneider on closing the loop with EG4.</p>
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<p class="v1v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 14pt;">Thanks for the feedback Dave.</span></p>
<p class="v1v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 14pt;">I visited Signature last year to offer training. The EG4 is available in the dropdown menu for BMS Setup in v1.18 InsightLocal firmware.</span></p>
<p class="v1v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 14pt;">Integration with XW Pro has worked well from what I have seen.</span></p>
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<pre><strong><span style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Courier New';">"we go where powerlines don't"</span></strong></pre>
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<p class="v1v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana',sans-serif;">Howie, I think you should also look again at the Discover rack mount system in the link below. Nice 75 year old company that made it's name on Locomotive batteries. Their prices are way down around 14 K for 30Kwh with heaters. If you have not looked at Lynk2 their gateway closed loop into SMA, Schneider, Solark, Morningstar and a few others you should.</span></p>
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<pre><strong><span style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Courier New';">"we go where powerlines don't"</span></strong></pre>
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<p class="v1v1v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana',sans-serif;">I've searched the archives for info pertaining to EG4 inverters and batteries. The comments have been mostly positive. I have stayed away from EG4 until now in part, for the reason the Michael Morningstar suggested last June - that is, they seemed very oriented to the DIY market and not real serious contenders in the lasting marketplace. However, I was at RE+ Boston this week and was quite surprised to see that the EG4 18k inverter is, for all I could tell, identical to the Fortress Envy 12k, in both physical layout as well as menu structure. I have very limited experience with the Envy (having just installed my 1st one last week, in order to compare it to the Sol-Ark 15). I don't have any thoughts about it yet, except that the font on the screen is quite small and the opening screen is not as intuitive as the Sol-Ark, but that might just take familiarizing myself more to the Envy (and/or the EG4).</span></p>
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