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<div id="signature">The LG charger probably generates the Heartbeat signal you need to fool the contactor to be on for charging.</div>
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<div>I Think! My experience is with the 48V RESU 10 and not the RESU 10H that is a 400vdc battery.</div>
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<div>There were a few people on here with 10H so hang on.<br />
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<div style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">I have an LG RESU-10H Gen2 Type R battery that has discharged so far that the display will no longer turn on. Apparently, there is a recovery process for this situation that involves using an LG-sanctioned charger that will properly manage the BMS throughout the recovery process. I have access to the correct charger for this purpose.
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<div>However, I have searched the Internet and Youtube and cannot find any <u>instructions</u> that explain how to operate the charger and recover the LG battery.
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<div>Does anyone on this group have experience with this situation and can help? Is there a service manual for the LG RESU battery that explains how to recharge it in this situation (again, can find nothing but the installation manual on the internet).</div>
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<div>Many thanks for any insights.</div>
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<div>On Feb 20, 2024, at 8:59 AM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:</div>
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 14pt;">I visited Signature last year to offer training. The EG4 is available in the dropdown menu for BMS Setup in v1.18 InsightLocal firmware.</span></div>
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