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<p>I would challenge that inspector's assumption. It starts
becoming precedent if you don't. I have challenged many rulings,
and have lived to tell the tale. There's a process and you just
politely go through the process. Often just mentioning that I
will challenge a particular assumption like "lead acid batteries
aren't allowed", will get them to back down on the spot. Getting
solar trade organizations on your side to help with the process
can add much needed weight.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Jay - Despite the exceptions in NEC 480.3 and 706.5
for lead-acid not needing to be Listed, and the maximum capacity
exception for lead-acid in IFC 1206.2.8.3, one of our local AHJs
is now insisting that ALL residential ESS, including lead-acid,
even off-grid with no utility interconnect, must be UL 9540
listed because they say the latest IRC says so.
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<div>As you can imagine this limits our design options on the
lead-acid side; as far as I can tell only BAE sells such a
thing, and it's not intended or proceed for residential
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<div dir="auto">To this point I'm not aware of a lead battery
that is compliant to 9540 or 1973... we are still trying
to work out the kinks of these UL codes. This what happens
when people try to blanket fix a problem with one technology
and apply it across the board without a full understanding
of the different chemistries that are out there.
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compliance.
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<p>I was definitely moving to the LFP camp for
off grid for all the same reasons you
mentioned, but I've just had too much
trouble, so I'm heading back to lead acid
for now. I missed the acid burned jeans,
its a "look"..... <br>
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<p>Seriously, you mentioned customers coming
back to a lead acid battery at 16 v; how
about a $12k LFP bank doing the same thing?
At least lead acid can be recovered to some
extent. I'm not married to either platform,
I just want to spend my customers' money on
the most reliable solution, and after having
both temperature related issues, and failed
BMS, lead acid is back. Maybe when my
current lead acid installations need to be
replaced, LFP will have solved 2 very
important issues:<br>
1) More Robust BMS boards that can be field
replaced.<br>
2) On board heating system for below
freezing conditions. </p>
<p>I think we're close, but definitely not
there. <br>
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<p>Also, with all the mention of various UL
listings, regulation needs to evolve to
differentiate between LiFePO4 and other Li+
chemistries. LiFePO4 is inherently much
safer, but we're being forced to comply with
all the same regulations as the less stable,
more energy dense chemistries. <br>
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<div dir="auto">The EG4 18K and the Fortress
Envy are both made by the same
manufacturer, LuxPower. Google the LXP 12K
and it will all make sense. I can’t speak
for EG4, but I know that Fortress has
progressed from simply white labeling this
unit to doing a significant amount of
programming and additional integration,
specifically with regards to their
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<div dir="auto">Personally, I have always
had a skeptical approach with EG4. The EX
line was chintzy at best. Every
prospective client I have crossed paths
with that has called out EG4 equipment
thinks they know more and want it cheaper
because they watched a few YouTube videos
where unqualified DIY hacks free air
conductors. I don’t want to write EG4 off
completely, and am interested in their
PowerPro battery. But with the ebb and
flow of battery manufacturers, I wouldn’t
be surprised if they weren’t around in 5
years. I feel differently about Fortress
Power and although they have been a little
overactive in the inverter market, I do
believe that they are well intentioned and
that their products and business are
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<div dir="auto">There has been some recent
LFP bashing, and respectfully, I will
agree to disagree. Early iterations of LFP
had frequent issues with BMS and cell
failure, but all in all, LFP has been a
shining star in off-grid applications. I
say this having installed 100+ eVault Max
18.5 in strictly off-grid scenarios. Sure
there are phone calls and necessary
firmware updates (however never a single
BMS failure with the eVault Max), but I’m
not having the heartbreaking conversations
of “when we came back from vacation our
48v lead acid battery bank was at 15
volts”. I don’t like those phone calls. I
also don't like holes in my pants and
shirts or calls that CO monitors are
alarming because of dead vent fans. I’m
not dying on the hill of LFP, but I will
say that I am firmly in support of the
measurable improvements they have made for
my customers. Paired with remote
monitoring, the truck rolls a lot less. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">The issue I'm having
with EG4 specifically and
Signature Solar in general is a
scattershot approach to UL and
NRTL listings. Those listings may
not be important to various DIY
folks of varying levels of
"git-er-done," but listings are
critical for my business. Some
products they sell are Listed per
NEC, some are not, and some EG4
are listed, some are not. I
recently contacted Signature Solar
regarding their EG4 rack mount ESS
modules and did not receive a
satisfactory response,
unfortunately a new off-grid
client had already purchased an
entire rack of them before
consulting with me. Our county AHJ
is very strict. I can't risk
recommending or installing a
system that would fail inspection.
Here in Colorado they often even
cross check the altitude ratings
on all inverters. (sorry Schneider
XW-Pro that I like so much, limit
on your spec sheet is 2000m
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provided the usual NRTL stamp for
UL 1741SA etc etc on the EG4 rack
batteries, then also a UL 9540A
testing certificate that they said
should be sufficient, and it
disturbed me that they did not
seem to understand that UL 9540A
is NOT a listing - it's a
fire-resistance test that an ESS
manufacturer can use as a document
to help obtain their actual UL9540
listing, and also gain exemptions
to spacing and other
requirements....but from my
understanding it's NOT an actual
UL or NRTL listing to UL 9540.
When I inquired about that,
Signature Solar stopped
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<div dir="ltr">I'm pretty sure my
understanding of UL 9540 listing
vs. 9540A testing is correct, but
I would appreciate any input
before again gently confronting
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