<div dir="auto">Good question about rain shedding. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">My questions for Sky: were the installations evaluated by a structural engineer to calculate ability to withstand wind effects and snow load? What roof anchors were recommended?<br clear="all"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><br>William Miller<br>Miller Solar.com<br>805-438-5600<br><a href="http://www.millersolar.com">www.millersolar.com</a><br></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 7:55 AM Drake Chamberlin via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif">
<p style="font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif">If the array covers the rain gutters, doesn't that prevent the gutters from catching rain? Doesn't the edge of the extended modules form a drip edge, where water will not be diverted by the gutters, but hit the ground directly? </span> </p>
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<div dir="auto" style="font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif">I've designed and installed several thousand cantilevered arrays over the last three decades and never had a single issue. Unfortunately, code changes have taken a turn for the worse in most jurisdictions and oftentimes disallow cantilevering.
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<p style="font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif">I<span style="font-size:large;font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif">'ve done a fair amount of roof mounted solar structural compliance, and I would say that the cantilevered design looks like a disaster waiting to happen. You could not use conventional solar racking products. Chris</span></p>
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<p style="font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">What is unique here is someone actually specified overhanging panels. Looking more closely at the image, a roof outline is shown but it is not clear that the outline is actually situated over a building. It almost looks like there is landscaped area inside the outline.</span></p>
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<p style="font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">The solution of course is to get on out there, measure the roof and any obstructions and analyze the shading. I use the <a href="https://apps.apple.com/us/app/sun-seeker-tracker-surveyor/id330247123" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Sun Seeker</a> app for IOS for the shading analysis.</span></p>
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