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<p><font size="4">Hi, in what way? The loading is obviously less,
and the clamps are rated for the load.</font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/12/2024 10:56 AM,
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<p id="reply-intro">On 2024-02-08 16:46, Sky Sims via RE-wrenches
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<div dir="auto">I've designed and installed several thousand
cantilevered arrays over the last three decades and never
had a single issue. Unfortunately, code changes have taken a
turn for the worse in most jurisdictions and oftentimes
disallow cantilevering.
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<p>I<span style="font-size: large;">'ve done a fair
amount of roof mounted solar structural
compliance, and I would say that the cantilevered
design looks like a disaster waiting to happen.
You could not use conventional solar racking
products. Chris</span></p>
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<div class="v1moz-cite-prefix">On 1/13/2024 12:42 PM,
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<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">My earlier
reply may have been a bit facetious. What I
meant by it was that big-box solar contractors
can be lazy when it comes to solar design.
They will rely totally on satellite imagery
and not check the design on the ground. This
is how you get solar proposed for shaded
areas, where skylights and roof vents are
located, or overhanging thin air. This may be
what is happening in the image you shared. </span></p>
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<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">What is
unique here is someone actually specified
overhanging panels. Looking more closely at
the image, a roof outline is shown but it is
not clear that the outline is actually
situated over a building. It almost looks
like there is landscaped area inside the
outline.</span></p>
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<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">The
solution of course is to get on out there,
measure the roof and any obstructions and
analyze the shading. I use the <a
href="https://apps.apple.com/us/app/sun-seeker-tracker-surveyor/id330247123"
target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">Sun Seeker</a> app
for IOS for the shading analysis.</span></p>
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<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Miller Solar</span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">17395 Oak
Road, Atascadero, CA 93422</span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">805-438-5600</span></p>
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moz-do-not-send="true">www.millersolar.com</a></span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span
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773985</span></p>
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<strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Drake
Chamberlin via RE-wrenches<br>
<strong>Sent:</strong> Saturday, January
13, 2024 8:47 AM<br>
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<strong>Subject:</strong> [RE-wrenches]
Fwd: Re: Cantilevered array</span></p>
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<p><span
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the situation.</span><span
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<p><span
style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';">Label says overhang from
upper roof. </span><span
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<p><em><span
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Chamberlin</span></em><span
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<p><em><span
style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';">Athens
Electric LLC</span></em><span
style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';"></span></p>
<p><em><span
style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';">Ohio
Electrical Contractor's License 44810</span></em><span
style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';"></span></p>
<p><em><span
style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';">NABCEP
Certified PV Installation Professional</span></em><span
style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';"></span></p>
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style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">Are you
sure that's what you're looking
at? To me, that looks like there
was an addition made to the
house, and maybe it's a
multi-pitch roof. That lower
part might be a covered
wrap-around porch.</span></p>
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Solar Designer | Florida
Solar Design Group<br>
NABCEP Certified Solar
Professional (PVIP)<br>
Florida State Certified
Solar Contractor CVC56956</span><span
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Jan 11, 2024 at 5:59 PM Drake
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<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family: 'Courier New';">I was given a drawing, produced by a
very large solar company,
showing the array
cantilevered over the edge
of the roof by several feet.
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<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family: 'Courier New';">Notice how the array hangs out over
the lawn for several feet.
Is there anyway that this is
a legitimate way to mount
modules?</span><span
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<p><em><span
style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Courier New';">Athens Electric
LLC</span></em><span
style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Courier New';"></span></p>
<p><em><span
style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Courier New';">Ohio Electrical
Contractor's License 44810</span></em><span
style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Courier New';"></span></p>
<p><em><span
style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Courier New';">NABCEP Certified
PV Installation
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