<div dir="ltr">William,<div><br></div><div>This is a very timely question, I have been seeing the same thing. I also don't allow any Flexnet interference in charging. I went to investigate a site yesterday and figured this one out.</div><div><br></div><div>It turned out that the Flexnet was uncalibrated by about 1V on the low side. This was a Lithium site and so there was not significant absorb time and that 1 V is very significant. The solar controller and Radian were calibrated properly so it looked on Optics as though we were never getting full but we were.</div><div><br></div><div>The Flexnet is a real mixed bag. Its great to have the info but I don't like the difficulty of calibration (loose nuts in the casing) and that the Mate defaults to using its voltage meter. We try to calibrate these as closely as possible.</div><div><br></div><div>One thing I've noticed when I'm following up others work is that the majority have incorrectly wired/programmed Flexnet DC. They will not have the appropriate shunts activated and so the system constantly reads 100%. A lot of these systems are installed using Outback prewired panels (Im not sure who builds these).</div><div><br></div><div>If your customer is savvy, you can have them unplug the cable from the Hub that feeds the Flexnet. If the voltage changes significantly, then the calibration could be the issue.</div><div><br></div><div>Please keep us in the loop on what you are finding.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 9:46 PM William Miller via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg4507759522954954382"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="m_4507759522954954382WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif"">Friends:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif""> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif"">I got a call from a client inquiring as to why his generator was starting every morning, even though no one was staying at the property and there was decent, albeit winter, sunshine.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif""> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif"">While looking into it I noticed that when his generator did run the battery voltage did not stay at absorb level for the prescribed time period as set in the battery charging settings.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif""> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif"">Outback tech support said that, lacking a better theory, it might be possible the FNDC could be affecting the charge settings. I do not allow FNDCs to control generator run, so this seemed unlikely. However I had no better idea and am being not much of a fan of the FNDC, I agreed to unplug it. There was no change in the generator charging voltage profile made by this.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif""> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif"">I got curiouser and started looking at other Outback sites. All of my normal Outback off-grid systems with both Radian and VFX inverters are exhibiting the same problem.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif""> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif"">I know this is kind of in the weeds, but that is what we are here for, right? I made a little web page about this issue to easily share information and graphics. Here is the <a href="https://millersolar.com/MillerSolar/case_studies/38-Radian_Charging/Outback_Charging.html" target="_blank">link</a>.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif""> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif"">This issue has serious implications for my clients. The charging profiles seen are not good for these batteries. Eventually the deficiencies in the charging regime will shorten the life spans of very expensive batteries. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif""> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif"">I am not very informed about lithium batteries, but I would be interested if this profile is bad or not for lithium batteries.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif""> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif"">I am hoping this is not a design or programming defect. I would be interested in any shared experience. Maybe some of you could glance at your Optics displays and see if you are seeing the same thing. All input is very much appreciated.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif""> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif"">William Miller</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif""> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,"sans-serif"">Miller Solar</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,"sans-serif"">17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,"sans-serif"">805-438-5600</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,"sans-serif""><a href="http://www.millersolar.com/" target="_blank">www.millersolar.com</a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,"sans-serif"">CA Lic. 773985</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div></div>
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</div></blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div><span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div><br></div><div><font color="#305A78" face="'times new roman', serif"><br></font></div><div><br></div>Mac Lewis<br><br><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:medium;color:rgb(255,153,0)"><b><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><p align="left"><font color="#000000" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:arial;font-weight:normal;color:rgb(48,90,120)"><font face="'times new roman', serif">"Yo solo sé que no sé nada." </font><span style="font-weight:700;color:rgb(104,104,104)"><font face="'times new roman', serif">-Sócrates</font></span></span></span></font></p></font></b></span></div>