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<p>Ray,</p>
<p> Exactly the same thing happened for me on a ground
mount system, 3500 feet elevation the the Sierras so open cooler
air, fully engaged MC4 factory connectors PV to PV connectors with
SW285's, not passing current, melted. No attempt to contact SW
just made up new connectors. </p>
<p> My calculation is with anything that is no doubt made
up by the bazillion with a machine (connectors, light bulbs,
pencils, chicken nuggets, etc) you're going to get some duds. In
20+ years of installing PVs with factory made-up connectors, I've
only seen this happen 2-3 times. Installing in the mountains we
no doubt use ground mount much more often than most installs in
urban areas which would make a hot, melted connector possibly more
of an issue a couple inches above a comp or wood roof. We've
never seen any connectors fail beyond the melted/deformed but
still "contained" stage .</p>
<p> Back when SW was first transitioning from one
connector to another, I remember them saying they (I think it was
UTX and MC or was it UTX and Amphenol?) were compatible. We NEVER
mixed connectors despite their claim.<br>
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<p>Bill<br>
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<p>I'm trying to find a pic to post, but they were MC4 connectors,
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<p>12 Ga wire is not going to catch on fire, but the MC
connectors might. I just went back on a 7 yr old
Solarworld install, and had a bad series MC connector
(module to module). It got quite crispy, deforming and
bubbling the plastic on both sides of the connection.
It was still passing current; I didn't get a chance to
measure the volt drop. It was completely plugged in, so
not an installation issue. </p>
<p>This was not one of our connectors made up in the
field, these were Solarworld factory connectors on both
sides, same model modules. That also means no mismatch
of "MC4" connector type. </p>
<p>10+ amps continuous, moist environment, 30F+ hotter
than ambient temp, all are tough on connectors. I
predict more connector failures as module current
ratings increase.</p>
<p>Ray Walters<br>
Remote Solar<br>
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