<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Mark, what you are describing is almost a daily occurrence in Florida in the summer. It can start raining buckets in full sun. And the rainwater is much colder than what comes out of a hose here.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">There does not seem to be any real data out there - only conjecture and anecdotes. I understand why manufacturers might put that into a manual out of an abundance of caution, but I have never seen any real testing.</div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Jason Szumlanski<div><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design Group</span><br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">NABCEP Certified Solar Professional (PVIP)</span><br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Florida State Certified Solar Contractor CVC56956</span></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 1:22 PM Mark Downing via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg1876715440797555698">
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Indeed, spraying cold water on hot modules between the hours of 10A-2P (or maybe 9A and 3P) is simply foolish. </div>
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Now the argument of rain being more dangerous than a cold hose is pretty weak.<br>
If it's raining, the modules are simply not going to be hot!</div>
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It would only be an issue if conditions went from full sun to raining streetcars and busses within the time period of a couple of minutes.</div>
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<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">I worked with a guy who had done installs in Arizona. He had an off-grid customer spray down their array with cold well water in the middle of the day, which shattered the module glass.</p>
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<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">I’m sure it was an isolated incident, but it happened.</p>
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<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Thanks,</p>
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<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">I don't understand the thermal shock nonsense. It routinely starts downpouring here when it's blazing hot out (sun showers) and the rain is way cooler than ground water in summer. It
makes no sense. If hose water from the ground is going to hurt solar panels, you better not put them where it rains! </p>
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<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">I replied privately to Dana, but for the benefit of the group, it takes a heavy soiling to make any appreciable difference. I have done numerous tests at times of high pollen and found
little to no benefit to cleaning solar panels. Certainly it would not be worth paying someone to do it. Other climates may have different results. My suggestion would be to test first. Module level power electronics can provide incontrovertible proof.</p>
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<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">See attached from REC. I would imagine these guidelines would apply to all modules.</p>
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<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 3:56 PM Dana Orzel via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" id="m_1876715440797555698OWAf9b97402-d1e1-0c5f-cc63-b474a237adad" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>>
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<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;font-size:14pt">Hey ally ‘all,</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;font-size:14pt">Ok bad solar installer! 7 years & I have never cleaned my modules & live on a dirt road. Yeah rain does a good
job with the dust but there is a film mostly on the edges.</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;font-size:14pt">My array is 16’+ tall on a hill side. I have a pressure washer & was going to pick up a large sponge type mop
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