<div dir="auto">Dave,<div dir="auto">I'm pretty sure I have not done that test. I'm not currently in sure and won't be for a couple of weeks, but maybe I can try it remotely. Went would disabling the charger make a difference with an AC coupled backfeed issue?</div><div dir="auto">Thanks,</div><div dir="auto">Howie</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 24, 2023, 10:45 AM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif">
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<pre><span style="font-size:12pt">Hey Howie, Can't remember but did you try disabling the charger in XW+ for a pulsation test ?<br></span> </pre>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Thanks, but this is not the issue here. The fluctuations happen anytime the AC coupled inverter connects to the XW+'s "grid", not just when the batteries are full. The frequency only changes about 1/10 of a herz when it connects, but it doesn't matter what the voltage is of the batteries, the pulsation starts. Going over the settings with Eric Bentsen, we shut off the AC coupled option to prevent the frequency shifting - this made no difference. We do have a contactor installed that disconnects the inverter from AC when the voltage starts elevating past the charge voltage and it has worked well for years. If I set up an AC coupled Off-Grid open loop system in the future, I'm thinking that I would look to disconnect the DC input as the batteries reach charged voltage - generally an easier cycling for the system to endure. There is also a smaller, legacy DC coupled array in this system which takes care of the finishing charge of the batteries through a charge controller. Again, it has all worked well in the past, only having any issues with AC fluctuations due to having the generator charging load set too high for the existing generator. This was solved by simply turning down the charge rate of the batteries and the visible light fluctuations stopped.</div>
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<div><span style="font-size:small"><span style="font-size:11pt"> it sounds like the XW+ is trying to curtail the Solar Edge by shifting frequency, and the loads don't like it. <br></span></span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:small"><span style="font-size:11pt">When off-grid and batteries are charged there is no place for all that AC coupled solar power to go. <br></span></span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:small"><span style="font-size:11pt">This is an issue windmill folks have too. The solution can be as simple as a dump load such<span style="font-size:small"><span style="font-size:11pt"> as a water heater</span></span> to absorb the excess energy.</span></span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:small"><span style="font-size:11pt">Tell the customer to turn the hot tub up high, or something like that. Heat up a bathtub in a greenhouse and plant bananas. <br></span></span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:small"><span style="font-size:11pt">From: Howie Michaelson <<a href="mailto:Howie.Michaelson@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">Howie.Michaelson@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Dave Angelini <<a href="mailto:offgridsolar@sti.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">offgridsolar@sti.net</a>>, RE-wrenches<br> <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Inverter output fluctuations<br>Message-ID:<br> <CAHMeMs=<a href="mailto:oOj_P0_a_sjyvw7_-+8kC9yVFSnm9PkWvgK-xnjx9MQ@mail.gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">oOj_P0_a_sjyvw7_-+8kC9yVFSnm9PkWvgK-xnjx9MQ@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Hi,<br>I was finally able to get to the site with the light pulsating issue. It<br>turns out it is that it directly corresponds to the AC coupled SolarEdge<br>HDwave 6kW inverter. Moreover, the pulsating gets stronger with higher<br>output of the SolarEdge inverter (as more sun pouches more current through<br>the inverter). And the hum of the XW+ very noticeably fluctuates in direct<br>proportion to light fluxuations. It affects all the lights in the house,<br>regardless of manufacturer, wattage or age. I did not have an oscilloscope,<br>but looking at the Hz, it does sag very slightly to 59.9 when the SolarEdge<br>is producing, down from a rock solid 60 Hz when the SE is not producing.<br>The output voltage does not change at all. The fluctuations in both the<br>lights and the inverter hum immediately stops when the SolarEdge production<br>is shut off. So it is clearly some interaction between the 2 inverters<br>causing this issue.<br><br>Has anyone dealt with this issue before? Does anyone have any suggestions<br>for dealing with this, short of replacing the SolarEdge with a Schneider<br>high voltage Charge Controller?<br>Thanks,<br>Howie<br></span></span></div>
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