<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Michael, that is my last ditch choice as I will be eating the cost and time. When I installed this setup 4+ years ago, having done a few similar installations (although mostly on grid), I had not seen any issue with the design, nor heard anyone else suggesting that this design might cause this type of issue. And this did not become an issue at this site until a few months ago, having operated well until then. As I am now hearing, the XW+ is not well equipped to handle voltage regulation when dealing with AC coupled inverters. I don't really understand why the issue is just now showing up, although I suppose it could possibly be due to lightning damage. If the only solution is to install a high voltage charge controller, so be it. Unfortunately this won't be an insignificant cost in dollars and time, a cost I'm not excited to be affording, particularly right now after taking on some substantial losses due to our recent historical flooding. If there was another, less expensive solution, I'd be happy to hear about it. Sorry to sound whiny, I'm just not very happy about this eventuality...<br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><span><span><font color="#888888"><span style="color:rgb(120,63,4)"><b>Howie <br></b></span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)"></span></font></span></span><span><span><span><span><font color="#888888"><span style="color:rgb(106,168,79)"><b>Sun Catcher</b></span><br><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"></span></span></font></span></span></span></span><span><span><font color="#888888"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)"><b><font size="1"><i></i></font></b></span></font></span><span><span><font color="#888888"><span style="color:rgb(120,63,4)"></span></font></span></span></span><span><span><span><font color="#888888"><span style="color:rgb(120,63,4)"><b><img src="https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1MQF8aTcFNnBR59ia5JAm1DsPHCxzNkPx&export=download"><br></b></span></font></span></span><span><font color="#888888"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)"><b><font size="1"><i></i></font></b></span></font></span><span><font color="#888888"><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font size="2"><span style="color:rgb(32,18,77)"><b><span><span><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font size="2">Solar Electric Systems Sales & Service<br></font></span></span><span style="color:rgb(180,95,6)">802-272-0004</span></span></span></b></span></font></span></span></font></span></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></span></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 11:49 PM Michael Morningstar via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Replacing SE with Conext 600-100😊, Seriously, everything will then play nice together, and it's only a matter of time before the SE has to go.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 4:02 PM Howie Michaelson via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">Hi,<div dir="auto"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I was f</span>inally able to get to the site with the light pulsating issue. It turns out it is<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> that it directly corresponds to the AC coupled SolarEdge HDwave 6kW inverter. Moreover, the pulsating gets stronger with higher output of the SolarEdge inverter (as more sun pouches more current through the inverter). And the hum of the XW+ very noticeably fluctuates in direct proportion to light fluxuations. It affects all the lights in the house, regardless of manufacturer, wattage or age. I did not have an oscilloscope, but looking at the Hz, it does sag very slightly to 59.9 when the SolarEdge is producing, down from a rock solid 60 Hz when the SE is not producing. The output voltage does not change at all. The fluctuations in both the lights and the inverter hum immediately stops when the SolarEdge production is shut off. So it is clearly some interaction between the 2 inverters causing this issue.<br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Has anyone dealt with this issue before? Does anyone have any suggestions for dealing with this, short of replacing the SolarEdge with a Schneider high voltage Charge Controller? <br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Thanks,<br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Howie<br></span></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 3, 2023, 7:09 PM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif">
<div id="m_-4009466380092115725m_4766765337617723278m_3492984241758735229m_5536199731242985032v1v1_rc_sig">I think I would try eliminating things. Turn off the AC coupling for a few days and get results. Turn of DC solar and get results. Measure AC voltage with a scope or just observe voltage during the flicker. Are all of the lights flickering? Are they on dimmers? Are there any loads failing that could be the source? Is the output with-in spec? Rock solid 60 HZ right.</div>
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<div>Are they on Insight? They really need it for you to monitor. Are there any faults, warnings or events ? Check history. There are a few settings in the old XW+ that could have been glitched by a surge or nearby lightning strike.</div>
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<div>XW+ could have a damaged FET. Open the unit and do a <span style="font-size:12pt"> visual.</span><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></div>
<div>There would be a smell and transistor fragments on the bottom right side of the power bridge. 90% of XW failures have visual evidence. </div>
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<div><span style="font-size:12pt">While you have it open, Check the DSP sensing and control board, both LEDs (light-emitting diodes) D24 and D25 are on.</span></div>
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<div>Last thing is a DC power down of the unit and the DC buss for 5 minutes. If that does not work, then a reset to factory values.</div>
<div>This is off an old list I got from Support many years ago and combined with my findings over the years. Really rare for this kind of weirdness and why it would be getting worse without visual evidence.</div>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I upgraded an old clients' off-grid system about five years ago to a Schneider XW6848+ and 2 Blue Ion 2.0 cabinets (32kWh). When the batteries were moving toward full, if the charge rate was on the higher side via generator or solar (AC coupled w/SolarEdge 6kW and DC coupled with an FM 80), they would start to get pulsating lights similar to symptoms of other older inverters when using a generator for charging. The solution for this pulsation has usually been to kick back the AC charge amperage just enough so the pulsating calmed down to a tolerable inconsequential level. And that worked in this case as well.</div>
<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">However, a few weeks ago, the pulsating became more noticeable and has now become fairly intolerable. To my knowledge, no settings changes we made within the previous year, and these clients would be loath to make any changes, so I doubt there were any. More puzzling is the pulsating has started to happen at seemingly random times not related to charging. It happens at night or pre-dawn mornings without the generator, or during the afternoons with solar charging. And it is getting progressively worse.</div>
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