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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif'>Every time in the past that I have “priced out” a project, the client has shopped it out including purchasing some equipment & then expecting me to still do the install. It is not worth the headache. Relax and let these people go. I did one 2 years ago (can you say Amnesia?) and it turned into they bought equipment from 4 venders, had plans done by an electrician that was not experienced enough to do plans, had someone else pull the permit. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif'>I got to talk with our inspector & his description of the end installation was “what a S$%$T” show”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif'>Sell an installed package.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif'>Folks we are professionals who are in business to earn a living & a retirement, we deserve respect, so many people think that solar is this “hobby type of thing” & not a real business because they managed to install a PV module on their van with a battery & an internet inverter & they did not blow anything up (of course all with no fusing).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif'>As stated below we have an investment bigtime in shop, support, insurances, vehicles, tools, etc. …<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif'>Treat yourself with respect and work for people who appreciate & respect you. You deserve it!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif'>All of you have a really great weekend not working! You have earned it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif'>Dana Orzel - E - dana@solarwork.com - C - 208.721.7003</span><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#99CC00'><o:p></o:p></span></i></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> RE-wrenches <re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tump via RE-wrenches<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 19, 2023 4:58 AM<br><b>To:</b> offgridsolar@sti.net; RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org><br><b>Cc:</b> Tump <tump@swnl.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Retail price lists<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>We are in Biz to make $$$$. I do not concern myself w/ what others or internet pricing, can you say AltE?<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>You are a professional we have insurance, equipment , inventory & CE requirements. The client is covering those unseen costs too, as well as the equipment you are selling. We/you have to include the cost of babysitting, as you will always have those phone calls/ DOB equipment etc.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I explain to my off grid clients that my pricing includes the inevitable phone time for a year. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Remember some of the best jobs are the ones you DONT get! <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On May 18, 2023, at 11:48 AM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>NAZ is an extremely well run company ! Love those guys!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto' id=reply-intro><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>On 2023-05-18 8:42 am, Michael Morningstar via RE-wrenches wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 5.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in'><div id=replybody1><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>My question is: how/why is it that NAZ and the likes sell equipment for less than what I pay wholesale? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 4:15 AM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Here is how I explain it to customers. Straight out of college, I was a financial analyst for an aerospace company working on government contracts. We did "cost-plus" contracts, which is what the client is essentially looking for. The government ended up paying too much for things this way. A fixed-price competitive contract is all the transparency a client needs.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Another way I put it is that we charge what the market allows, and if that is not enough for us to provide an excellent customer experience, we simply pass on the job. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>No line item prices. The only things we might line item are permit costs and engineering fees for non-standard projects.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><br>Jason Szumlanski <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Roboto;color:#333333'>Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design Group<br>NABCEP Certified Solar Professional (PVIP)<br>Florida State Certified Solar Contractor CVC56956</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 6:56 PM Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Wrenches <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Bottom line package price, all inclusive one number, I list all the major components inverter, modules ect. and all of what is included permits engineering thats it system cost, tax incentive, rebate (if any) no a la carte here sorry.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>But thats just me! <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 8:11 AM Jay via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Hi All <br><br>I have a question about how wrenches are dealing with charging for equipment as most prices of most equipment on line at or below wholesale. <br><br>If people are marking it up, how much? what metric are people using? I think victron might be the only company I've actually seen a retail price list for in years. <br>Maybe it's just marking up labor costs a lot?<br><br>I'm not doing all that much work these days but enough that I'm trying to figure this out. <br><br>Thanks<br>Jay<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br><br>Pay optional member dues here: <a href="http://re-wrenches.org/" target="_blank">http://re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>Change listserver email address & settings:<br><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>There are two list archives for searching. 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